Agro Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Dragoons won't be hit. They're still pushing Mermails in the TCG. Remember Inzektors and how REDU kept them from getting hit for a format? If they get a hit, it'll be a silly little smack on the wrist, like Sphere to 2.Well if you think about it, Inzektors were only out for less than a month before that banlist. Atlanteans have had over half a format. So I wouldn't necessarily use them as the comparison.There's no reason for TGU to be hit, looking at the meta. Rabbit's a rogue deck, doesn't warrant a hit. Snoww to 1 seems unrealistic when they're 5th place. Card Destruction is all but impossible for the same reason. Stratos to 0, while the best choice, is also unlikely due to being 4th. They just made the Chaos Dragon Tengu things. BLS going is unlikely. DAD won't go because neither of the decks its in are considered T1. Hieratics, and all that other stuff, moving up doesn't make sense because September is testing format.TGU and BLS were both just reprinted, which is something Konami has done a surprisingly many times before hitting those same cards. So that's where that reasoning is coming from. Snoww probably won't go to 1, 2 seems more likely, or the same to Grapha. 5 is just within the limit of what I think could get hit. You're probably right about DAD just because how Konami will be viewing Verz. And they've done testing things in March before. From last March: E-Tele, Level Limit, Lumina, Marshmallon, Shien's Smoke Signal, Torrential. So doing testing stuff shouldn't be counted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I personally still advocate Gishki Aquamirror to 0 because Gishkis deserve to be raped over and over by the banlist... But... Augus needs to go to 0. It doesn't have much impact, but it's still a stupid FTK. Wait, what FTK with Augus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Wait, what FTK with Augus? It's a BS deckout that loops One Day of Peace / Card Destruction / Hand Destruction. Its very consistent and should be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Shock Ruler and Aqua Mirror best stay where they are. I don't want to junk my Gishki Gygas Beatdown. Plus Shock Ruler is my favorite Number. Wait, what FTK with Augus? Agreed. There isn't one to the best of my knowledge. EDIT- Dang Ninjas. That can be solved by banning One Day of Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Wait, what FTK with Augus?Drawdrawdrawdraw Oh you lose to deckout Well if you think about it, Inzektors were only out for less than a month before that banlist. Atlanteans have had over half a format. So I wouldn't necessarily use them as the comparison.And how long have Merlanteans had in the TCG? 2~ months.TGU and BLS were both just reprinted, which is something Konami has done a surprisingly many times before hitting those same cards. So that's where that reasoning is coming from. Snoww probably won't go to 1, 2 seems more likely, or the same to Grapha. 5 is just within the limit of what I think could get hit. You're probably right about DAD just because how Konami will be viewing Verz. And they've done testing things in March before. From last March: E-Tele, Level Limit, Lumina, Marshmallon, Shien's Smoke Signal, Torrential. So doing testing stuff shouldn't be counted out.TGU's done nothing to GET a hit. BLS was just given more Chaos Fuel to use it with. I doubt they'd get hit, and they're reprinted for cash reasons more than banning.Snoww to 2 is what I'd expect.DAD won't go on because Inzektors and Evilswarm are both off the map, to OCG Konami.And they tested some, but they traditionally use it with September, and March is generally shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 And how long have Merlanteans had in the TCG? 2~ months.Three actually. 4 come March 1st. Inzektors were released in early February iirc. They didn't even have a month.TGU's done nothing to GET a hit. BLS was just given more Chaos Fuel to use it with. I doubt they'd get hit, and they're reprinted for cash reasons more than banning.They don't always need to have done something to get hit to get hit. Konami will move power cards on and off the board once in a while.And they tested some, but they traditionally use it with September, and March is generally shit.I expect at least one or two of the testing changes to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull3tM0nk3y Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I think Spellbooks and Fire Fists are going to hit hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I think Spellbooks and Fire Fists are going to hit hard. neither have even had a showing TO get hit for. besides a highly unlikely preemptive hit (on divine judgment for spellbooks and debatable for fire fists though tenki is the best bet) theyre completely safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 We won't see any hit on Spellbooks or Fire Fists. At all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 To be fair Monkey, I agree that they should be hit. But its just not how Konami operates. They want to give every deck a chance for maximum power before violently taking it all away. Remember the nightmare that was the March 2012 Banlist? Yeah, something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 To be fair Monkey, I agree that they should be hit. But its just not how Konami operates. They want to give every deck a chance for maximum power before violently taking it all away. Remember the nightmare that was the March 2012 Banlist? Yeah, something like that. Except this one has!: Fish that run over you with Sharks and Sea Serpents Fish that make you deck out akin to Empty Jar BEARS! that think they're T.G. A searchable win condition that can +X and get you a boss monster/more searches FOR FREE. It's okay because it's MAGICAL AND MORE TO COME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 March 2012 killed Plants then left everything else untouched.March 2013 will kill Wind-Ups and leave everything else untouched.Seems legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 As a reminder for everyone: Earliest reliable rumor/hearsay would be the 10th~14th. Pics should be the 17th~18th. Ban List news HAS to coincide with Judgment of the Light and Starter Deck 2013 news. So don't post stuff before then about THIS IS THE REAL/POTENTIAL LIST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't mind playing againts a lot of decks to be honest (I even enjoy some, like Madolches and Psychics for example), I just don't like the bullshit moves most of them are capable of: Mermails: - Megalo drop for Inzektor-esque field nuke - Megalo + diva for 8000 exactly - Moulinglacia at the end of big combos Darkworlds: - Grapha, I hate this card with a burning passion - Reckless Greed @3 (should be semi'd ffs) not mattering thanks to Gates - DDV / Dragged Down to see my hand followed up with a Mind Crush for potential +2's (DDV should join its brother CCV) - Card Destruction's mass advantage Dino-Rabbit: - Leviair / TGU. One Laggia or Dolkka is okay, its when they start getting pumped out 3 turns in a row is silly - Macro + Laggia + Judgement (not broken, I just don't like this) - Dolkka detaching only one material to negate Wind-Ups: - Rabbit stalling with Rat or building up OTK pieces with Factory - Magician + Shark to win every game - Avarice, when you think its over, it just keeps coming. - Shock Master to auto win against specific decks Agents: - Kristya summon usually means a game-loss - Honest stealing games - Kirstya + Honest looping. Oh god Gadgets: - Limiter Removal ending duels - Geargiarmor flip-summon into Karakuri onslaught - Ultimate Offering + Gadget HEROs: - Topdecking 3200 Shinings - Bubbleman Spam into Shock Master / Excalibur / Armor Ninja Inzektors: - DAD for free wins - Inconsistent Dragonfly + Hornet sacks Prophecy: - Divine Judgment of the Spellbooks isn't even out yet and I hate it already Firefists: - Bear is too easy to search Firekings: - Assault of the Fire Kings into Garunix is way too easy - Garunix is like a FIRE Grapha - Rekindling for game Evilswarms: - Thunderbird the immortal 1950 beater - Kerykeion for instant Ophion after Ophion after Ophion Six Samurai: - Shi-En / Naturia Beast openings are way to often - Gateway for game / infinite loops Other shit: - Safe Zone + White Dragon Ninja - Gaia Dragoon's existence - Village + Skill Drain + Breaker / Crusader - Mist Valley locks - Gustav Max's 2000 Burn - Royal Tribute stealing games - Infernity looping - 3 Judgment Dragon - Shooting Quasar Dragon - Exodia / Burn / Final Coundown / FTKs - Herald of Perfection Staples: - Game Stealing BLS's - Monster Reborn sacks (usually for BLS) - Starlight Road's free Stardust - Setting one backrow which instantly gets MST'd - Gorz's Token Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull3tM0nk3y Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't mind playing againts a lot of decks to be honest (I even enjoy some, like Madolches and Psychics for example), I just don't like the bullshit moves most of them are capable of: Mermails: - Megalo drop for Inzektor-esque field nuke - Megalo + diva for 8000 exactly - Moulinglacia at the end of big combos Darkworlds: - Grapha, I hate this card with a burning passion - Reckless Greed @3 (should be semi'd ffs) not mattering thanks to Gates - DDV / Dragged Down to see my hand followed up with a Mind Crush for potential +2's (DDV should join its brother CCV) - Card Destruction's mass advantage Dino-Rabbit: - Leviair / TGU. One Laggia or Dolkka is okay, its when they start getting pumped out 3 turns in a row is silly - Macro + Laggia + Judgement (not broken, I just don't like this) - Dolkka detaching only one material to negate Wind-Ups: - Rabbit stalling with Rat or building up OTK pieces with Factory - Magician + Shark to win every game - Avarice, when you think its over, it just keeps coming. - Shock Master to auto win against specific decks Agents: - Kristya summon usually means a game-loss - Honest stealing games - Kirstya + Honest looping. Oh god Gadgets: - Limiter Removal ending duels - Geargiarmor flip-summon into Karakuri onslaught - Ultimate Offering + Gadget HEROs: - Topdecking 3200 Shinings - Bubbleman Spam into Shock Master / Excalibur / Armor Ninja Inzektors: - DAD for free wins - Inconsistent Dragonfly + Hornet sacks Prophecy: - Divine Judgment of the Spellbooks isn't even out yet and I hate it already Firefists: - Bear is too easy to search Firekings: - Assault of the Fire Kings into Garunix way too easy - Garunix is like a FIRE Grapha - Rekindling for game Evilswarms: - Thunderbird the immortal 1950 beater - Kerykeion for instant Ophion after Ophion after Ophion Six Samurai: - Shi-En / Naturia Beast openings are way to often - Gateway for game / infinite loops Other shit: - Safe Zone + White Dragon Ninja - Gaia Dragoon's existence - Village + Skill Drain + Breaker / Crusader - Mist Valley locks - Gustav Max's 2000 Burn - Royal Tribute stealing games - Infernity looping - 3 Judgment Dragon - Shooting Quasar Dragon - Exodia / Burn / Final Coundown / FTKs - Herald of Perfection Staples: - Game Stealing BLS's - Monster Reborn sacks (usually for BLS) - Starlight Road's free Stardust - Setting one backrow which instantly gets MST'd - Gorz's Token Yep. Right on the marker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 - Safe Zone + White Dragon Ninja - Game Stealing BLS's oh you~ The power creep started some shit. Of course this game has a lot of annoying stuff in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Here is a card I think a Semi-Limit has been long overdue. At three this card fuels unfair decks like: Exodia, Chain Burn, Final Countdown, and especially Darkworlds. A sensible hit would hurt the consistency to these decks which while not tearing up the meta, would definitely help push the game in the right direction. That is, one with more player interaction (even though its pretty much gone the complete 180). It wouldn't be a massive hit to these decks like Card Destruction, One Day of Peace, and other various choices would be, so there could be room for other serious choices to fill up the spots that matter on the Banlist (Reborn to 0 please). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 ^ So it's just a for less total hits hit than a best-hits one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 It helps, and Konami never bans a huge number of cards at once. Max is usually 4 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't mind playing againts a lot of decks to be honest (I even enjoy some, like Madolches and Psychics for example), I just don't like the bullshit moves most of them are capable of: Mermails: - Megalo drop for Inzektor-esque field nuke - Megalo + diva for 8000 exactly - Dragoons + whatever the fuck I have for free +s - Moulinglacia at the end of big combos Darkworlds: - Grapha, I hate this card "with the fiery passion of a thousand burning suns". - Reckless Greed @3 (should be semi'd ffs) not mattering thanks to Gates - DDV / Dragged Down to see my hand followed up with a Mind Crush for potential +2's (DDV should join its brother CCV) - Card Destruction's mass advantage Dino-Rabbit: - Leviair / TGU. One Laggia or Dolkka is okay, its when they start getting pumped out 3 turns in a row is silly - Macro + Laggia + Judgement (not broken, I just don't like this) - Dolkka detaching only one material to negate Wind-Ups: - Rabbit stalling with Rat or building up OTK pieces with Factory - Magician + Shark to win every game - Avarice, when you think its over, it just keeps coming. - Shock Master to auto win against specific decks Agents: - Kristya summon usually means a game-loss - Honest stealing games - Kirstya + Honest looping. Oh god Gadgets: - Limiter Removal ending duels - Geargiarmor flip-summon into Karakuri onslaught - Ultimate Offering + Gadget HEROs: - Topdecking 3200 Shinings - Bubbleman Spam into Shock Master / Excalibur / Armor Ninja Inzektors: - DAD for free wins - Inconsistent Dragonfly + Hornet sacks Prophecy: - Divine Judgment of the Spellbooks isn't even out yet and I hate it already - One-Trick-Ponies all the time Fire Fists: - Bear is too easy to search - Chicken will make all hell break loose. Firekings: - Assault of the Fire Kings into Garunix is way too easy - Garunix is like a FIRE Grapha - Rekindling for game Evilswarms: - Thunderbird the immortal 1950 beater - Kerykeion for instant Ophion after Ophion after Ophion Six Samurai: - Shi-En / Naturia Beast openings are way to often, and Barkion is there for shits and giggles - Gateway for game / infinite loops Other shit: - Safe Zone + White Dragon Ninja - Gaia Dragoon's existence - Village + Skill Drain + Breaker / Crusader - Mist Valley locks - Gustav Max's 2000 Burn - Royal Tribute stealing games - Infernity looping - 3 Judgment Dragon - 1+ Shooting Quasar Dragon - Exodia / Burn / Final Coundown / FTKs - Herald of Perfection - Fenix Bombs Staples: - Game Stealing BLS's - Monster Reborn sacks (usually for BLS) - Starlight Road's free Stardust - Setting one backrow which instantly gets MST'd - Gorz's Token Added just a few more to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 "setting one backrow that gets hit by mst" is the stupidest gripe ive ever heard. especially in comparison to other, legitimate issues with the game. mst is absolutely not a problem, and in fact, considering that since the last time mst was on the list there are MORE backrow shenanigans, its gonna stay exactly where it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull3tM0nk3y Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Even more so sense it doesn't negate. So your opponent can chain anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Oh, it was Bear I was ruffled at, not Gorilla. I still don't care about Tenki because the opponent's card presence doesn't prevent me from playing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 "setting one backrow that gets hit by mst" is the stupidest gripe ive ever heard. especially in comparison to other, legitimate issues with the game. mst is absolutely not a problem, and in fact, considering that since the last time mst was on the list there are MORE backrow shenanigans, its gonna stay exactly where it is. The last time MST was on the list, Heavy was banned and we had Trunade instead. And we didn't have Night Beam. Too much backrow is a problem, assuredly, but having whatever you have just get MST'd doesn't need to be a thing really. There's gotta be a balance that we can reach by moving MST around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull3tM0nk3y Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 So, are we discussing putting MST on the list? I think it should be at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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