Canadian Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Its that time of the year again. It is a time where we look back on the previous format while also looking onwards to the next. Most of the products (barring early February releases) have been made legal so now we can start to make inferences about the upcoming format. The purpose of this thread is to contain all of the discussion involving the March 2013 Banlist into one convenient thread (hopefully minimizing the amount of flooding that usually happens towards the end of February and August). What to post in this thread: - All wishlists / realistic lists go here (Post reasons for your selected Banlist choices!) - Any scans (real or fake) of the March 2013 Banlist go here - Opinions on individual cards and their list positions go here - Opinions on topics of discussion go here (e.g. Heavy Storm / MST paradox) - Keep the thread liberal *** All moderators have the final say and have the right to include additional rules if desired ***LZ Edit: Current List of Discussion (practically confirmed)Forbidden: Sangan Wind-Up Carrier ZenmaityLimited: Wind-Up Magician One Day of Peace Solemn WarningSemi-Limited: Tsukuyomi Thunder King Rai-Oh Advanced Ritual ArtUnlimited: Spore Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow Lumina Lightsworn Summoner Shien's Smoke Signal Mind Crush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Atlantean Dragoons HAS to go to 1-0. Having Abyssteus is basically having 6+ Walking RotAs....some have to just kick the bucket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 OBLIGATORY BLACK LUSTER@0 COMMENT~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 God Dammit I was gonna post this once Monkey's thread hit page 3. Anyways.... img cred to dgz Apparently, Tewart has hinted that Merlanteans will not receive any serious hits, only token hits to "hit" them. Wind-Ups should have Magician to 0, or 1 at worst, but will probably end with Magician @1 and Shark/Factory@1 ala Hornet/Dragonfly@1. Gear Gigant will most likely go to 1 and no further hit on machines. HEROes/Dark Worlds may get slaps on the wrist. Stratos is obviously the best hit, but it probably won't happen. DW would probably have Snoww hit to 2, if anything. Rabbit, TGU, Hieratics, Fire Fists, and Inzektors won't move at all, most likely. They may move Dragonfly up 1, but I'd expect that in September rather than March. Did I miss anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Black, that image is so wonky. I still love it regardless.Apparently, Tewart has hinted that Merlanteans will not receive any serious hits, only token hits to "hit" them.MEGALO TO 2, JUST TO TROLL Gear Gigant will most likely go to 1 and no further hit on machines.Meta: Damn it, guys, NO STROBE LIGHT.Gigant: THE CLUB CAN'T EVEN HANDLE ME!Meta: *Limits Gigant**shot* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Glow-Up Bulb and Trishula to 1 Magician clearly needs to go. That's about it for me really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I've been wanting Glads to get something back lately, like Bestiari to 3, Gyzarus 0....but that doesn't seem to be happening any time soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I think the best way to tackle the Banlist is to go through all of the current biggest decks and make decisions based off of that. Mermails, Dino Rabbit, Wind-Ups, Agents, Gadgets, HEROs, Dark Worlds, Inzektors, Prophecy, Constellars, Fire Kings, Fire Fists, Evilswarms, and Six Samurai are the decks of influence that we should be looking at. And we have to take into account both the TCG and the OCG metagames. And we cannot forget to remember that decisions are mostly made of a product-profit basis, so we have to factor in future releases as justifications for ban list changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 - Spore to 3, because why not - Tsukuyomi to 3, because why not - Magical Stone Excavation to 3, because it's a bad card Um... Idk maybe DMoC to one to push Prophecies more? I dare someone to honestly tell me they'd put it past Konami to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Idk maybe DMoC to one to push Prophecies more? I dare someone to honestly tell me they'd put it past Konami to do it. If this were to happen, Monster Reborn would absolutely have to be banned. The two cannot exist in the same format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 If this were to happen, Monster Reborn would absolutely have to be banned. The two cannot exist in the same format. I agree, and I'm not in the slightest advocating the move, but I truly wouldn't be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Mermails, Dino Rabbit, Wind-Ups, Agents, Gadgets, HEROs, Dark Worlds, Inzektors, Prophecy, Constellars, Fire Kings, Fire Fists, Evilswarms, and Six Samurai are the decks of influence that we should be looking at.cannot forget to remember that decisions are mostly made of a product-profit basisGarunix.dek has yet to get an English release.Derp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zektor Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I think the best way to tackle the Banlist is to go through all of the current biggest decks and make decisions based off of that. Mermails, Dino Rabbit, Wind-Ups, Agents, Gadgets, HEROs, Dark Worlds, Inzektors, Prophecy, Constellars, Fire Kings, Fire Fists, Evilswarms, and Six Samurai are the decks of influence that we should be looking at. And we have to take into account both the TCG and the OCG metagames. And we cannot forget to remember that decisions are mostly made of a product-profit basis, so we have to factor in future releases as justifications for ban list changes. Based off this, Mermails, indirect hit (Not on a Mermail/Atlantean card) Dino Rabbit, Rabbit to 1, as much as I hate to say it, even in the OCG its a great card. Wind-Ups, Magician to 1/Zenmaity Ban (Truthfully I think this and a Shark/Magician Semi would be the best) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Based off this, Mermails, indirect hit (Not on a Mermail/Atlantean card) Dino Rabbit, Rabbit to 1, as much as I hate to say it, even in the OCG its a great card. Wind-Ups, Magician to 1/Zenmaity Ban (Truthfully I think this and a Shark/Magician Semi would be the best) That's not based off that at all, or you'd realize what's wrong with your second choice. OCG has rabbit as /7th/ place. It won't be hit. And hitting Rabbit makes both Evilswarm and Fire Fist sales in the TCG go down. They will not hit rabbit. You only need 2 Magician for the combo, so that's stupid. Magician needs to go to 0/1, based on what it does, and semi-ing it does nothing. Shark to 1's not impossible, but hitting Shark at all is stupid because it's totally fine. Zenmaity's not the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Let's take care of rabbit by doing this for shits and giggles! Semied: Evilswarm Heliotrope Kabazauls Sabersaurus Fixed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Most of the products (barring early February releases) have been made legal so now we can start to make inferences about the upcoming format. Garunix.dek has yet to get an English release. Derp. February 8th, I know. And on that note anyways, I truly believe that Assault of the Fire Kings will get hit even though it will be out for less than a month. There is no way, even with the need to generate profit from their new structure deck, that Konami can let this stay at 3 for an entire format. It's applications are ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I truly believe that Assault of the Fire Kings will get hit even though it will be out for less than a month. There is no way, even with the need to generate profit from their new structure deck, that Konami can let this stay at 3 for an entire format. It's applications are ridiculous. Bestiari should've been FIRE.....BASH ME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 They hit a Gishki Ritual Monster for an underground loop that wasn't even possible in the TCG. Unrealistically speaking, I hope Gorilla gets hit. I could care less about Tenki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 They hit a Gishki Ritual Monster for an underground loop that wasn't even possible in the TCG. Unrealistically speaking, I hope Gorilla gets hit. I could care less about Tenki. I wish to know your insight? Why Gorilla? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Based on Konami's listings, we can be assured that at least Water and Machines are gonna be hit in one way or another. For Water, the only thing really worth hitting immediately is Atlantean Dragoons. They may hit something else, but the stupid consistency Dragoons gives them is absurd, so it's definitely getting hit. Past that, idk. Machines are even tougher to really think about. I mean, I'm not even sure what the OCG decks are past gadgets. At least here, I'd suggest Geargiarmor or Gear Giant X, but idk if that'd really solve anything. Because of Konami's insistency of keeping HEROs up there, I can only assume that any deck above them is going to be hit. That includes Dark Worlds, of course. HEROs have 2 cards that can be hit, obviously. Those being Elemental HERO Stratos or Miracle Fusion. Dark Worlds can go 3 ways. They can either ban the consistency in Snoww, Unlight of Dark World, the engine in Gates of Dark World, or the power in Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World. Based on their recent history, however, I'm going to suggest that they put Snoww to 1 like Agents or 2 like Hieratics. Perhaps they may hit it like Lightsworn though and put Grapha @2. In either case, I got my fingers crossed for them getting hit like Chaos Dragons and seeing Card Destruction banned. The obvious hit here is on Wind-Ups. The simple existence of Wind-Up Shark and Wind-Up Magician make people want to quit the game, so they have to do something about it. The obvious decision is putting Magician to 1, but Konami could just as easily put Shark to 1 or 0 to be dicks. Or maybe putting both to 1 like Inzektors. Wind-Up Factory should probably be hit, but I don't see them doing that. Fire Fists are the 6th deck by Konami's judgment. Unless they completely wreck the meta in the TCG, I see them getting hit as much as Dark Worlds were last format when Konami listed them as the 6th best deck. That, of course, being absolutely nothing. Dino Rabbit may have Tour Guide from the Underworld get put to 1 based on being there, you know, just to end that deck, but I don't see Rescue Rabbit going lower not only because of Evilswarm, but even because of Harpies. Perhaps also, Konami puts Inzektor Hornet @0 and Inzektor Dragonfly @3, but I don't think they're going to move either. Though if they'd be nice, they could just ban Dark Armed Dragon and that would honestly kill Inzektors enough. Same goes for Hieratics. I think they're done, but Konami may consider putting Hieratic Seal of Convocation @3. One other thing I'd like to make note of is how Konami actually has a history of hitting cards after reprinting them (examples: Spore & TGU, but there were some even before that) So I'm going to suggest that Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning or Monster Reborn are within the target sights after their reprinting in LCYW. Gorz the Emissary of Darkness and Exodia the Forbidden One also fall into this category. Of course, Rabbit and TGU also fall into this list, but, again, I don't see Rabbit getting hit as much as I see TGU getting hit (also because it's used in Dark Worlds). As for what's coming back. I'm still on the side that Tsukuyomi is coming back to 2, though Book of Moon is as likely. Gravekeepers with Caius the Shadow Monarch could be quite a fun deck with those two back. If they actually ban Dragoons instead of limiting it, I think there's a chance they bring out Tribe-Infecting Virus for Water (but god, I hope not). Chaos Sorcerer could come back if BLS is banned; which is what they should have done in the first place. Also, Summoner Monk to 3 is definitely possible. Also, I think that Blackwings are on the rise again and they just got new support out in the TCG, so I can see Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind or Black Whirlwind being put to 2. Konami does have history of letting older decks come back after a while, and without much effect simply because of the power creep. (Debris, how ya doin?) Also in this category could be Lonefire Blossom, Formula Synchron, Spore, Scapegoat, Reborn Tengu, or Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner. Final Predictions: Forbidden: Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the End Card Destruction Elemental HERO Stratos Dark Armed Dragon Limited: Wind-Up Magician Wind-Up Shark Atlantean Dragoons Snoww, Unlight of Dark World Tour Guide from the Underworld Gear Gigant X Semi-Limited: Tsukuyomi Book of Moon Scapegoat Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind Formula Synchron Unlimited: Hieratic Seal of Convocation Summoner Monk Spore Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Dragoons won't be hit. They're still pushing Mermails in the TCG. Remember Inzektors and how REDU kept them from getting hit for a format? If they get a hit, it'll be a silly little smack on the wrist, like Sphere to 2. There's no reason for TGU to be hit, looking at the meta. Rabbit's a rogue deck, doesn't warrant a hit. Snoww to 1 seems unrealistic when they're 5th place. Card Destruction is all but impossible for the same reason. Stratos to 0, while the best choice, is also unlikely due to being 4th. They just made the Chaos Dragon Tengu things. BLS going is unlikely. DAD won't go because neither of the decks its in are considered T1. Hieratics, and all that other stuff, moving up doesn't make sense because September is testing format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Aside from Stratos, I <3 the list Agro~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I actually wanna bring up a few things myself, now. I keep seeing people call for this guy to burn in hell, understandably: He's just way too easy to summon for so much force behind it. People seem to hope for Diva/Undine to lower numbers alongside Dragoons, despite the fact the hits will probably be small. Duality to 3 is something I'd like to see, but I'm not sure Konami's ready to bring it back yet, for whatever reason. Avarice needs to go, but doesn't seem expected as much as demanded. Mind Con/Reborn to 0 Consensus seems to be that WATER will be untouched or close to it and that FIRE will not be touched. No one seriously thinks Rabbit to 1. One Day of Peace to 0/1 is popular, over Exodia and Countdown, etc. Wind-Up Factory over Magician with Shock @0 is also showing a bit. "Supposedly Shueisha and Konami suits won't let Tribe come off because they're afraid it'll scare everyone off of Archetype Decks." I personally still advocate Gishki Aquamirror to 0 because Gishkis deserve to be raped over and over by the banlist... But... Augus needs to go to 0. It doesn't have much impact, but it's still a stupid FTK. That's all for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Stratos- 0 Magician - 0 Dragoons- 2 Black is right. This would be the the biggest hit they would give it, and I doubt they'l even do that. Snoww- 2 Dark Worlds are still viable with Snoww at 2, so I wouldn't mind that much. Chicken or Tenki- 1 or 0 Stone Excavation- 3 Doubt they will though. Tsukuyomi- 2 I have a feeling Konami is going to drag out putting her at 3. Monster Reborn- 0 Wouldn't be shocked at all if they did this. Mind Control- 0 Formula- 2 Undine- ? Number 11- ? Don't know why, I just have a feeling Big Eye will be hit somehow. DMoC- 1 ONLY if Reborn and maybe Dark Hole get banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 See, the issue with Shock Master~In specific conditions(which aren't all that rare), it can be a game-winner.Since if the deck is specifically dependent on ONE kind of move(Spells for Spellbooks, Monsters for Dark Worlds, etc), you basically shut down the Opponent for the time being.And using it late game is VERY crucial, since given the environment, and based on what a player has left over, you could easily augment that area to net you the win.Shock Master is good, and I can see why people would want it at 0, but its not as herpderp-busted as other shenanigans that other cards can pull off.I dunno', I'm just speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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