ihop Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Exodia has a way too big OTK rate, i have yet to see somebody score an OTK with non-nurse burn.. Burn is just a general mechanic in cardgames (Mage in Hearthstone for example)... Its normal, just because its annoying doesn't mean it needs to be banned It's not just "annoying" The issue with decks such as Burn, same as Exodia and Countdown, is that they lack almost any sort of player interaction. In an ideal state players should have a good chance of being able to respond to any offensive play the opponent does, be it summoning a monster, attacking or using an effect. Alt win decks defy this because they just play by themselves and there is no player interaction. I could probably write an essay about this but I'm bad at essays, maybe someone else will be kind enough to pick up from where i began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 my wishlist Sangan to 1, my sangan turbo deck was fun to play :( Stratos to 1, not because of heroes but because I ran a lot of destiny hero builds, fortune lady heros, neo spacian heros, and like d hero psychics and stuff Diva to 3, for my fortune lady heros BW Gale to 2 or 3, because blackwing Dark Armed Dragon to 2, would be cool would make a lot of decks i use a lot more cooler like bwing, and tele/zombie stuff Gold Sarco to 2 or 3, <3 because fortune lady heros! Allure of Darkness to 2, :) because a lot of decks i like Debris Dragon to 2 :))))) because black rose dragon Glow-Up Bulb to 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < I OWE ONE, I WANNA PROFIT Tengu to 3 /\ with the above move to make glow up bulb even moar to make up for some of the stuff hit mermails and like ban all of the elemental heros except their fusions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshpalStefan Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 It's not just "annoying" The issue with decks such as Burn, same as Exodia and Countdown, is that they lack almost any sort of player interaction. In an ideal state players should have a good chance of being able to respond to any offensive play the opponent does, be it summoning a monster, attacking or using an effect. Alt win decks defy this because they just play by themselves and there is no player interaction. I could probably write an essay about this but I'm bad at essays, maybe someone else will be kind enough to pick up from where i began. Your friendly neighborhood writer is here for that at any other occasion, but I'm feeling extremely lazy, so I'll just leave it to you as a tl;dr instance: Burn is bad for the game, exodia is bad for the game, the entire notion is bad for the concept of the game, ban the f*** out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Hey now. Burn isn't bad for the game. Stall/burn decks are bad for the game (IE, most). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banddude Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 If anything, it would be interesting if it looked a little like this: BANNED Big Dragons:Everybody hates them, so yeah. Heavy: You can just stay banned. Warning: Well, Judgement got banned and it could negate just about anything, so what do we do with the -2000->negate a Special Summon version? this one is kinda meh, so I'm not really expecting a hit on it at all. LIMITED Geargiarmour/Geargiagear: You could do one, the other, or both. They both are crazy cards for what they do. Tenki: either at 1 or 2. I'm sure plenty of people would love to see this hit. Probably not going to get hit with Bujins being a thing. Sphere: this card can be easily searched and gets you a couple of monsters when MST'd. Dragon Ravine: DRulers are gone, so you can start integrating this back into the meta (it would be fine at 1/2). Trishula: for s***s and giggles. SEMI-LIMITED Tower: It's a great card and all, but the recycle AND draw makes it a little crazy. E-Tele: This card makes another Karakuri OTK variant, so yeah. Burei/Bureido: Or instead of hitting E-Tele, you could just hit the root of the problem. I played a Tele-Karakuri variant, so I know how bad they can get (and those geargia variants aren't very helpful either). Mst: With Artifacts coming out (whenever that is), this'll just be another way to destroy them while set. Tenki: see above Dragon Ravine: see above Big Eye: It would be a great thing to be hit, but doesn't necessarily have to be with Rulers gone. Malicious/Plaguespreader: Void Ogre Dragon and Beelze (especially Beelze) are going to be irritating things if these stay where they are. It would be funny if they swapped BLS for Chaos End Dragon for a banlist (or at least for a little bit), and compulse maybe to 2 would be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 If anything, it would be interesting if it looked a little like this: BANNED Big Dragons:Everybody hates them, so yeah. Heavy: You can just stay banned. Warning: Well, Judgement got banned and it could negate just about anything, so what do we do with the -2000->negate a Special Summon version? this one is kinda meh, so I'm not really expecting a hit on it at all. LIMITED Geargiarmour/Geargiagear: You could do one, the other, or both. They both are crazy cards for what they do. Tenki: either at 1 or 2. I'm sure plenty of people would love to see this hit. Probably not going to get hit with Bujins being a thing. Sphere: this card can be easily searched and gets you a couple of monsters when MST'd. Dragon Ravine: DRulers are gone, so you can start integrating this back into the meta (it would be fine at 1/2). Trishula: for s***s and giggles. SEMI-LIMITED Tower: It's a great card and all, but the recycle AND draw makes it a little crazy. E-Tele: This card makes another Karakuri OTK variant, so yeah. Burei/Bureido: Or instead of hitting E-Tele, you could just hit the root of the problem. I played a Tele-Karakuri variant, so I know how bad they can get (and those geargia variants aren't very helpful either). Mst: With Artifacts coming out (whenever that is), this'll just be another way to destroy them while set. Tenki: see above Dragon Ravine: see above Big Eye: It would be a great thing to be hit, but doesn't necessarily have to be with Rulers gone. Malicious/Plaguespreader: Void Ogre Dragon and Beelze (especially Beelze) are going to be irritating things if these stay where they are. It would be funny if they swapped BLS for Chaos End Dragon for a banlist (or at least for a little bit), and compulse maybe to 2 would be ok. implying mst is good v artifacts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 implying mst is good v artifacts uh i dun think so mst is good for artifacts to use is it not heck i h8 mst anyway its too op Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 also all the semi limits of that list are terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 also all the semi limits of that list are terrible i'd only give credit to tenki maybe e tele and mst otherwise it's a waste or no one runs more than 1-2 anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 i'd only give credit to tenki maybe e tele and mst otherwise it's a waste or no one runs more than 1-2 anyway why would e tele ever need to be hit right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 why would e tele ever need to be hit right now the same reason mst should i'm butt hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 imo all of the gb cards should be banned and burned forever so that we would never have to see a gb format ever again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banddude Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 why would e tele ever need to be hit right now [spoiler=This is a thing] It mostly has to deal with that TeleKarakuri variant I mentioned. With the right hand (It doesn't take much for that, just an E-Tele, Solar Wind Jammer, Ninishi, and any other karakuri with a level less than or equal to 4), you could open with 1-3 Burei, 2-3 Bureido, and some other third thing (I used Landoise to stop monster effects). If your opponent didn't have a response, or you stopped the response, then you were done. And this happened at least every duel. Fun, but degenerate. There's no reason why a deck should be allowed to make plays like this with ridiculous frequency. [/spoiler] Also Pirika is going to be a thing. Edit: whoops, double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 i honestly want e tele gone because of pirika but that's my butthurt and yeah its really just winmoar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 [spoiler=This is a thing]It mostly has to deal with that TeleKarakuri variant I mentioned. With the right hand (It doesn't take much for that, just an E-Tele, Solar Wind Jammer, Ninishi, and any other karakuri with a level less than or equal to 4), you could open with 1-3 Burei, 2-3 Bureido, and some other third thing (I used Landoise to stop monster effects). If your opponent didn't have a response, or you stopped the response, then you were done. And this happened at least every duel.Fun, but degenerate. There's no reason why a deck should be allowed to make plays like this with ridiculous frequency. [/spoiler] Also Pirika is going to be a thing. Edit: whoops, double post.>Pirika is going to be a thing>Telekarakuri remotely matter and the problem with Karakuri isn't Burei/Bureidothere is not enough ice in the world to ease the ache you have given my sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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