Guarded Treasure

[TheycallmeBrick]

 

Guarded Treasure
Continuous Spell Card
Activate this card by discarding 5 cards; Draw 2 cards. While this card is on the field, draw 2 cards instead of 1 for your normal draw during your Draw Phase.

 

Well, that didn't take long at all.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

card is bad because discard 5.

 

card is bad because continuous.

[AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW]

Real effect: Discard 5 cards; your opponent sends 1 "Mystical Space Typhoon" they control to the Graveyard.

 

You would have to conserve way too much to even be able to activate this, like lolFinal Destiny. Or just have a ton of advantage, in which case you didn't need this.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

They made it do exactly what it did in the anime. You also can't even activate this turn 1 in OCG anymore.

[~British Soul~]

>"Discard 5"

Card is bad because of that card, and sounds like a minus factory.

 

Real effect: Discard 5 cards; your opponent sends 1 "Mystical Space Typhoon" they control to the Graveyard.

I was thinking the same thing.

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

Hmm, this is pretty interesting actually. It might seem bad now but dam this has potential.

[Brinolovania]

So, the though process going into the cards they revealed today:

 

Konami Guy #1: "Wow, this Guarded Treasure thing seems cool."

 

Konami Guy #2: "It's actually pretty bad. You're discarding a ton for a card that dies to one MST."

 

Konami Guy #1: "Why, you're right! To make up for it, let's print that Monster Reborn on crack card, and not bother nerfing it at all!"

 

Konami Guy #2: "I can see no possible issues with this plan!"

[Wildflame]

Run it in Fableds, obviously.

[Jord200]

I would rather have Xyz Treasure.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

On the upside, it does give double the chance to drop The Seventh One.

[Synchronized]

It's a pretty cool card.  One of my favorite anime cards ever; I'm pretty sure in the Anime you didn't actually draw 2 cards upon activation, but I could be wrong.

[Trebuchet MS]

Maybe guard it with Key Beetle?

[Lunar Origins]

hey

 

hey black

 

use it in fableds

 

all joking aside this card seems like utter shit but there does seem to be some kinda hidden potential to it...

[evilfusion]

So it's not actually a "Guardian" card? This feels deliberate.

 

On the other hand, it's precisely what the anime effect did. There's a reason Rafael always played it on his first turn: It cost 5 discards, not just the current hand.

[Toffee.]

They left it unchanged.

They literally, left it unchanged.

Oh boy they left it unchanged....

Just.. Oh boy... They left it... Unchanged... xD

 

This card is just straight-up silly, no matter how you look at it.

[White Void]

I like the idea of it but it's a really awkward card in that you can only really get it off early game but there's no way to consistently guarantee getting it early and extra copies of it are all but dead once you activate one. Cards like Thunder Dragon or Thunder Seahorse can help as a sort of "buffer" for the Discard 5 part and something like Card Guard can help keep it on the field but I can't think of a deck where any of that is a good idea whatsoever.

[Delibirb]

Well I tested this in Fableds (proxy on DN) and it wasnt too bad. I only had 1 fabled that got an eff from discarding, but it made up for the -5 in the long run, I think. So long as they dont destroy it right off the bat it seems to not be horrible.

[Catterjune]

Activate your Soul Charge and get lots of cards in hands by reviving monsters with effects that search "when summoned" (like Gadgets) or use creative plays to get cards back to your hand. (Summon 4 Random Darkworlds, bring 3 back to hand with Grapha, Xyz into something cool and ditch a Graph, bounce the fourth with Grapha. Don't get effect when discarding)

On second thought, fuck this and just run Soul Charge instead.

[Blake]

Well I tested this in Fableds (proxy on DN) and it wasnt too bad. I only had 1 fabled that got an eff from discarding, but it made up for the -5 in the long run, I think. So long as they dont destroy it right off the bat it seems to not be horrible.

You were running Quasar Fableds.

 

With Supply Unit.

 

That's proof enough that you don't know anything about the deck, and the fact you only had 1 to circumvent the cost should be a sign not to run it.

 

Fableds like discarding each other, not outside effects. Outside effects just increase the deck's inconsistency. Were it something like Graceful Charity you'd still run it, but this isn't comparable. It's only live T1 in a deck that throws its hand on the board, and specializes in having a low hand to regain it. The only time the cost will be negligible is when you're winning anyways. You run only 2-3 Cerburrel, 1-2 Krus, 1-2-3 Ganashia, and 1-2 Kushano, depending on build. That's a minimum of 5 and a maximum of 10 cards you consistently want to ditch/don't mind ditching. 10's a lot, yeah, but then you're taking away from Chawa (the actual best tuner in the deck) and Kushano's ditching, thus making them more dead.

 

And then there's the fact that cards like Collapserpent/Wyverburster and TGU are good for the deck and conflict with Guarded Treasure/other cards that ditch.

 

You can run a Monster Reincarnation or a Beckoning Light (worse than reincar), but even then they're just techs and aren't optimal 9/10.

 

Quasar variant's bad because it involves lowering consistency, running shit cards (see; Lurrie, etc.), and the ability to tool with the extra box in exchange for a boss that's not even that hard to dispose of, especially modern day. Yeah, it can win, but if it doesn't you just lose and that's it.

 

So no, Guarded Treasure is still terrible in Fableds because any logical build isn't going to focus on discard 5. Especially not with more than 1 copy of this.

 

In addition, it's not a deck that really devote until it's exploding/struggling, so Supply Unit's not even good in the deck. It's just another dead draw early or late that leads to losing games as opposed to actually advancing you, in a deck that has consistency issues as is.

[goddamnit names are a pain]

I like the flavor on this card, actually.

Sure they could MST but the possibilities make me giddy. I really like the effect. 

 

Tethys shenanigans among other things.

 

Lol I could use this in Artifacts to fuel CoTH *shot*

[Delibirb]

You were running Quasar Fableds.

With Supply Unit.

That's proof enough that you don't know anything about the deck, and the fact you only had 1 to circumvent the cost should be a sign not to run it.

Fableds like discarding each other, not outside effects. Outside effects just increase the deck's inconsistency. Were it something like Graceful Charity you'd still run it, but this isn't comparable. It's only live T1 in a deck that throws its hand on the board, and specializes in having a low hand to regain it. The only time the cost will be negligible is when you're winning anyways. You run only 2-3 Cerburrel, 1-2 Krus, 1-2-3 Ganashia, and 1-2 Kushano, depending on build. That's a minimum of 5 and a maximum of 10 cards you consistently want to ditch/don't mind ditching. 10's a lot, yeah, but then you're taking away from Chawa (the actual best tuner in the deck) and Kushano's ditching, thus making them more dead.

And then there's the fact that cards like Collapserpent/Wyverburster and TGU are good for the deck and conflict with Guarded Treasure/other cards that ditch.

You can run a Monster Reincarnation or a Beckoning Light (worse than reincar), but even then they're just techs and aren't optimal 9/10.

Quasar variant's bad because it involves lowering consistency, running s*** cards (see; Lurrie, etc.), and the ability to tool with the extra box in exchange for a boss that's not even that hard to dispose of, especially modern day. Yeah, it can win, but if it doesn't you just lose and that's it.

So no, Guarded Treasure is still terrible in Fableds because any logical build isn't going to focus on discard 5. Especially not with more than 1 copy of this.

In addition, it's not a deck that really devote until it's exploding/struggling, so Supply Unit's not even good in the deck. It's just another dead draw early or late that leads to losing games as opposed to actually advancing you, in a deck that has consistency issues as is.

You missed the joke with that image, my friend.

[Blake]

No, I just assumed that, given who you are, that you weren't actually being witty. I mean, your track record suggest you wouldn't be, so idk what to expect from you.

 

An you were playing Fabled Quasar either way, so the points remain.

[Delibirb]

No, I just assumed that, given who you are, that you weren't actually being witty. I mean, your track record suggest you wouldn't be, so idk what to expect from you.
 
An you were playing Fabled Quasar either way, so the points remain.

Ill pretend I'm not being insulted on non-existent grounds and say yea, the points do remain for how to play Fableds correctly, which I intentionally was not doing, and for why this card is certainly not optimal for the deck.

It would be very helpful for the future of this discussion if you refrained from being demeaning to and acting in a way that can be taken negatively to people who respect you and see you as a friend.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

There aren't any cards that allow you to circumvent costs for activating continuous spells, are there? I know for life points there's Spell Economics, but I mean for like this card obviously. I do know there are ways to search them...

[Delibirb]

There aren't any cards that allow you to circumvent costs for activating continuous spells, are there? I know for life points there's Spell Economics, but I mean for like this card obviously. I do know there are ways to search them...

I think a card that circumvented all costs would be hard to word, seeing as, I believe, cost is not an official term. Or at least not used in card text. Economics obviously gets around that for just life points.

If such a card did exist, would you still get the +2 off this? That would break it even more than the double draw, imo.