Raigeki

[Blake]

So when are we getting Harpies Feather Duster back too?

So when will people stop trying to make this stupid point/joke?

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

So when will people stop trying to make this stupid point/joke?

When it stops being funny of course. Either way I welcome raigeki's usage. With the hands still at 3 and having field presence the likelihood your opponent will use Raigeki is a bit lower.

[evilfusion]

When it stops being funny of course. Either way I welcome raigeki's usage. With the hands still at 3 and having field presence the likelihood your opponent will use Raigeki is a bit lower.

 

That would be every time past the first use.

[Expelsword]

So when will people stop trying to make this stupid point/joke?

 

When the list isn't a joke.

[heraldry_lord]

When the game isn't a joke.

 

I think that's what you really mean.

[Sleepy]

Since no one else is acknowledging the Elephant in the Room, I may as well do that:

 

Honestly, I was quite surprised when I saw that Raigeki was limited now like each and every one of you.  I'm not going to say that it is not a good decision because of what potential effect it would have on the meta.  But rather, I'm going to say that moving Raigeki up from the banlist is not a good idea because it has virtually nothing to offer to the game at this point.

 

Normally, when a card is moved up from the banlist, it's because the people behind the banlist believe that it would contribute to the current game, not because it stopped being broken due to the state of the metagame.  If you still have that ideology in you, gtfo and never play a competitive game until you understand the idealogy behind moving cards up the list.  In a floater format, however, Raigeki is practically useless because it cannot do its job of one-sided mass monster removal.

 

Cards like Magician of Faith and Reinforcement of the Army didn't go from Forbidden and Limited respectively to Unlimited because they stopped being broken, but it's because where was a need for those cards in the game.  Yes, Magician of Faith has power creep, but its effect is still quite useful for the Decks that want Magician of Faith.  Reinforcement of the Army is still too good, but there was an obvious need for it to come back to 3 due to the prevalence of Warrior-based Decks coming out.

 

Raigeki has... what does Raigeki have again that would contribute to the format?

 

And this is why Raigeki should not have left the list, and this is the logic that the list runs on.

 

That seems to no longer be true. If cards being no longer relevant is not enough reason to unban them, Raigeki just broke that apparent Konami's trend. 

Besides, since a long time ago Konami has been about impact > design for the most part, so I don't see why they wouldn't unban something just because it doesn't "contribute".

It is true that something like Magician of Faith was thought/expected to be teched by Spellooks, or that Dark Hole did become a staple for a while in a way that wasn't as devastating as when it was originally running around, both at the time of their unban, but surely not everything needs a purpose to come off the list. Rather, it needs a purpose to stay in it.

Take for example Magical Stone Excavation. It wasn't returned to 3 because it'd contribute to anything. It was returned to 3 because the Jars got banned and so it had no reason to stay anywhere in the lists.

 

Not saying I agree with Raigeki's unban, it is a sad fact that its so irrelevant to the game-state, but still.

[☪©h@ÐØÖk.exe☪]

I don't Mind Having a legal Raigeki in my deck, but seriously, Dark Hole was pretty enough for staples.

[Sleepy]

I don't Mind Having a legal Raigeki in my deck, but seriously, Dark Hole was pretty enough for staples.

Actually, last time I remember Dark Hole was being dropped from decks everywhere for lack of space for a Spell Speed 1 field nuke, and that was when the Hands were probably the bigger threat. Now there's much more floating stuff. That Raigeki better find a way to be added to the hand every turn xD

[☪©h@ÐØÖk.exe☪]

Actually, last time I remember Dark Hole was being dropped from decks everywhere for lack of space for a Spell Speed 1 field nuke, and that was when the Hands were probably the bigger threat. Now there's much more floating stuff. That Raigeki better find a way to be added to the hand every turn xD

Really? too bad, but, even though it is dropped from decks, it is still cool with Raigeki in my decks :3

[.:pyramid:.]

Would not be surprised to see this and dark hole banned again next format. The difference this has compared to dark hole when it was unbanned is simple.... You now have two nukes instead of one. Even a floater format will struggle to go meh.

On a serious note, I don't know why anyone would think konami would ever the tackle power creep in this game. They even said it themselves that no card would stay banned indefinitely, so that means power creep until they can't destroy you singlehandedly. Or have them unbanned with other parts banned.

[Neutrality Man]

On a serious note, I don't know why anyone would think konami would ever the tackle power creep in this game. They even said it themselves that no card would stay banned indefinitely, so that means power creep until they can't destroy you singlehandedly. Or have them unbanned with other parts banned.

 

Still waiting on unbanned Yata-Garasu. I've been working on a Sky Scourge Norleras play involving it and Plaguespreader. bwahahaha

[☪©h@ÐØÖk.exe☪]

Would not be surprised to see this and dark hole banned again next format. The difference this has compared to dark hole when it was unbanned is simple.... You now have two nukes instead of one. Even a floater format will struggle to go meh.

On a serious note, I don't know why anyone would think konami would ever the tackle power creep in this game. They even said it themselves that no card would stay banned indefinitely, so that means power creep until they can't destroy you singlehandedly. Or have them unbanned with other parts banned.

 

Doesn't Torrential Tribute Nuke the field (since it is a trap card and it can be activated any time the monster is summoned)? Doesn't Judgment Dragon Nuke the field multiple times in a row for almost no cost as well? Nothing creep about Dark Hole and Raigeki, just use starlight road and you nail them.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

Nothing creep about Dark Hole and Raigeki, just use starlight road and you nail them.

 

Because you'll ALWAYS have a SLR in play when they Raigeki/Dark Hole.

 

Seems logical.

[☪©h@ÐØÖk.exe☪]

Because you'll ALWAYS have a SLR in play when they Raigeki/Dark Hole.

 

Seems logical.

What do You MEAN with "SLR"?

So what? they are just bunch of staples, everyone uses these cards, even though you get pissed off when your monsters get wiped out, you can always special summon them again, you can defend yourself with other cards, they are not GOD modded cards.....

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

SLR = Starlight Road.

 

And, you missed the entire point of my post. In no point did I say Raigeki was a "god modded card". I simply said there's always a chance that you won't have a SLR in play when they go to Raigeki. The tone of your post says "Raigeki is fine as long as you can SLR it", which is wrong.

[Ultravires]

Still waiting on unbanned Yata-Garasu. I've been working on a Sky Scourge Norleras play involving it and Plaguespreader. bwahahaha

 

Tewart has stated many times that the only card that will never come off the list is Yata. Everything else is fair game. Yes, that includes Chaos Emperor.

[☪©h@ÐØÖk.exe☪]

SLR = Starlight Road.

 

And, you missed the entire point of my post. In no point did I say Raigeki was a "god modded card". I simply said there's always a chance that you won't have a SLR in play when they go to Raigeki. The tone of your post says "Raigeki is fine as long as you can SLR it", which is wrong.

 

I didn't miss your point, even i don't get SLR, so what?, and i never said "Raigeki is fine as long as you can SLR it", i don't even use SLR in my decks because i can't think of good use for it, just because my Monsters got wiped out, doesn't mean the end of the world, lot of people got upset when Raigeki is going legal, you people use torrential tribute and you're fine with it? whether with or without SLR, i'm always fine with Raigeki, i'm actually using it for better staples for my decks., the point i was trying to deliver is not "Raigeki is fine as long as you can SLR it", it was simply you shouldn't make a big deal of it.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Tewart has stated many times that the only card that will never come off the list is Yata. Everything else is fair game. Yes, that includes Chaos Emperor.

No, no, and hell no. I hate to imagine the power creep that needs to happen for that to be freed. o.o

[Dwarven King]

My Sandayu lock laughs at your Raigeki.

[heraldry_lord]

No, no, and hell no. I hate to imagine the power creep that needs to happen for that to be freed. o.o

 

Not to mention it's gotten easier to tutor, thanks to Eclipse Wyvern and Melody.

[Neutrality Man]

 That Raigeki better find a way to be added to the hand every turn xD

 

Magician of Faith is at 3, and Sibyls constantly flip monsters up and down.

[Miror B]

My Sandayu lock laughs at your Raigeki.

Pretty sure that power creep has already happened and EOTB wouldnt do much now other than turn games into a topdeck war

[Maeriberii Haan]

Envoy of the End, if it's released from its shackles now, might actually only make some decks add extra breakthrough/fiendish chain/veiler, and Shaddoll/BA still laugh at it, bar the burn. Main problem would be Shaddoll with the Eclipse Engine, really, since it can search the lone copy of EotE easily and drop it almost anytime, but aside from that...

 

Yeah. It'll make the meta kinda more hellish with the added factors, but the fact that it's -almost- handle-able is kinda ridic.

[goddamnit names are a pain]

Pretty soon we will have Traps/Spells that can activate from the main deck and negate effects and then Envoy won't matter even more. At least somewhat.

Come on, you know it's plausible. Konami making cards that just fly out of your deck and just say "nope, f*** you".

 

Also, consider that they have been re-errataing loops and s*** of that nature. Who's to say they wouldn't nerf more stuff?

Yata has to stay because I can't even think of a way to fix that and their really isn't/shouldn't be.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Pretty sure that power creep has already happened and EOTE wouldnt do much now other than turn games into a topdeck war

Fixed. Anyway, wasn't CED banned before BLS? We saw topdeck-ville with BLS in the first couple of formats since its return, but now I haven't heard much of it. CED would do far more damage than that IMO. Ugh, I hate where this game is going.