~British Soul~ Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 You can only use each effect of “Scrap-Iron Statue” once per turn. (1) When a Spell/Trap Card that is already face-up on your opponent’s side of the field activates its effect: Destroy that card, also after that, Set this card face-down instead of sending it to the Graveyard. (2) If this card is sent to the Graveyard: You can target 1 “Junk” monster in your Graveyard; Special Summon it in face-up Defense Position. discuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 That's a strange card, though I guess it's nice against Pendulums. The last effect, I dunno how they play so I cannot comment on that, though it's a decent other effect I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 The art is pretty damn cool. Also, it's a free Anti-Pendulm Trap that can be reused forever (once and set again I know, but still). Stops Tenki, field spells, and all kinds of things. That's actually fairly decent, and the revive can potentially do ok. I know MST still exists…but damn. Also, for clarification…it blows up upon effects, not activation? That kind of really hurts it in that regard, but still. Overall, seems fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Also, for clarification…it blows up upon effects, not activation? Technically activating the card is treated as activating an effect, but I assume that wasn't the point of the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 bye tenki bye tool bye youkai shrine bye divine wind etc etc Man, this is pretty damn neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 my question is..... Side or Main? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 my question is..... Side or Main? Kind of useless against Necloth, Shaddoll and Burning Abyss, so Side for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 >revives any Junk monster Sexy. I love how the artwork depicts that Stardust statue that whatshisface made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Yamiegg Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Will probably become relevant side-deck material when Qlips/more Pendulums/something meta that relies on a Field Spell arrives. Or if Fire Fists ever become game-breaking, which I very much doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Yep, I'm definitely rebuilding my Junk.dek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Don't forget that it is also a "Scrap" card, if that is at all relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 I am sitting here, looking at my DDDs. I am woe.Don't forget that it is also a "Scrap" card, if that is at all relevant. All scrap support only applies to monsters, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Kuzutetsu no Zou / Scrap-Iron StatueTrap NormalYou can only use each effect of “Scrap-Iron Statue” once per turn. (1) When a Spell/Trap Card that is already face-up on your opponent’s side of the field activates its effect: Destroy that card, also after that, Set this card face-down instead of sending it to the Graveyard. (2) If this card is sent to the Graveyard: You can target 1 “Junk” monster in your Graveyard; Special Summon it in face-up Defense Position.Does nothing to Tenki, apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peridank Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 hmm... Can It protect it self against mst? Or really... a non-monster effect? I would be down right scared of this card if that is the case... I would like to use it tho... it beats Dark Bribe by FAR... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 hmm... Can It protect it self against mst? Or really... a non-monster effect? I would be down right scared of this card if that is the case... I would like to use it tho... it beats Dark Bribe by FAR... ...it doesn't negate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Kuzutetsu no Zou / Scrap-Iron Statue Trap Normal You can only use each effect of “Scrap-Iron Statue” once per turn. (1) When a Spell/Trap Card that is already face-up on your opponent’s side of the field activates its effect: Destroy that card, also after that, Set this card face-down instead of sending it to the Graveyard. (2) If this card is sent to the Graveyard: You can target 1 “Junk” monster in your Graveyard; Special Summon it in face-up Defense Position. Does nothing to Tenki, apparently Dammit but ok. The usage goes down quite a bit but it's still….anti pendulum…I guess. Meh, I might run 1-2 for kicks. hmm... Can It protect it self against mst? Or really... a non-monster effect? I would be down right scared of this card if that is the case... I would like to use it tho... it beats Dark Bribe by FAR... ... ……. I…I don't. I don't even don't even. I just don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 So it can't stop the first activation of covenant of the valkyrie? That is quite the relief, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peridank Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Oops sorry... I misread... you can't say you never did it before... main decking 4 sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Kuzutetsu no Zou / Scrap-Iron Statue Trap Normal You can only use each effect of “Scrap-Iron Statue” once per turn. (1) When a Spell/Trap Card that is already face-up on your opponent’s side of the field activates its effect: Destroy that card, also after that, Set this card face-down instead of sending it to the Graveyard. (2) If this card is sent to the Graveyard: You can target 1 “Junk” monster in your Graveyard; Special Summon it in face-up Defense Position. Does nothing to Tenki, apparently how does it not? can I see the ruling on that, or is it just how your interpret the card? because the way I interpret it is that it will stop tenki quite easily, since the activation of a continuous card like tenkei, also activates it's effect, does it not? So it can't stop the first activation of covenant of the valkyrie? That is quite the relief, to be honest. no, it will definitively stop that. that's a once per turn separately acting effect from the play of the card, even if tenki DOES pass through, this can not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 its because the search applies on resolution, and you can't interrupt a card's resolution (unless the card specifically says otherwise, like Ms. Judge). Tenki doesn't "activate" the search effect, it just happens when the card resolves if you choose to do it. As for Covenant, I don't think it works like that either. You can use its effect immediately after the card itself activates AS the initial activation (as in you don't have to wait for it to resolve). I'd wait for the official ruling for this one, because it really could go either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 its because the search applies on resolution, and you can't interrupt a card's resolution (unless the card specifically says otherwise, like Ms. Judge). Tenki doesn't "activate" the search effect, it just happens when the card resolves if you choose to do it. As for Covenant, I don't think it works like that either. You can use its effect immediately after the card itself activates AS the initial activation (as in you don't have to wait for it to resolve). I'd wait for the official ruling for this one, because it really could go either way. so it comes down to what triggers this card's activation, because it can be used in response to the activation of an effect, so we would need to know when that happens. easy enough on paper, but the wiki doesn't make it perfectly clear. (You cannot activate a card effect that its condition didn't meet, knowing that it cannot resolve properly. For example, you cannot activate "Lightning Vortex" knowing that your opponent controls no face-up monsters to destroy.) that makes me think that Activating a card, ALSO activates it's effect in a way that gives this card a legal target to destroy. which I Guess can't be right if your saying this can't stop tenki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 It says "already face-up".This means the card would have to have been face-up before activating its effect. This is simple wording.Tenki, as said, searches at resolution. And when you first activate it, you are not activating the effect, you're activating the physical card, and you may choose to or not to use the searching effect at the end of resolution.And this doesn't matter because it's not a new chain link that searches and the card was not face-up before activating; No, activating it placed it face-up onto the field.So, seeing as Tenki was NOT on the field before it activated (despite not technically activating its effect at all), this card cannot be used in response to the physical activation of a card.Think of activating a continuous card from your hand/set as you would a monster summon, like... Gorz v Solemn JudgmentJudgment can't stop Gorz because it SSs itself by a monster effect, which SJ can't touch. This is the opposite. Because an effect is not being applied (assuming this hit any effect activation, not even requiring the card to have been face-up on the field before activating), this card cannot respond to it. It does not say "Activate a card".If this still bothers you, think of Diamond Dude or Barkion/Beast. The former activates only the EFFECTS of the spells it mills, but never the actual card. The latter negate the physical activations of Traps/Spells, but can't do anything to their effects while face-up/in the grave, because the effect activating and the card activating are not always one and the same.After reading Tenki, man that card is worded weirdly, because the PSCT implies the search starts a chain... when it dosen't and it searches at resolution... Wat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 It says "already face-up". This means the card would have to have been face-up before activating its effect. This is simple wording. Tenki, as said, searches at resolution. And when you first activate it, you are not activating the effect, you're activating the physical card, and you may choose to or not to use the searching effect at the end of resolution. And this doesn't matter because it's not a new chain link that searches and the card was not face-up before activating; No, activating it placed it face-up onto the field. So, seeing as Tenki was NOT on the field before it activated (despite not technically activating its effect at all), this card cannot be used in response to the physical activation of a card. Think of activating a continuous card from your hand/set as you would a monster summon, like... Gorz v Solemn Judgment Judgment can't stop Gorz because it SSs itself by a monster effect, which SJ can't touch. This is the opposite. Because an effect is not being applied (assuming this hit any effect activation, not even requiring the card to have been face-up on the field before activating), this card cannot respond to it. It does not say "Activate a card". If this still bothers you, think of Diamond Dude or Barkion/Beast. The former activates only the EFFECTS of the spells it mills, but never the actual card. The latter negate the physical activations of Traps/Spells, but can't do anything to their effects while face-up/in the grave, because the effect activating and the card activating are not always one and the same. After reading Tenki, man that card is worded weirdly, because the PSCT implies the search starts a chain... when it dosen't and it searches at resolution... Wat okay. now that makes sense. again. wiki fails to make a stated timing difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 If this worked as originally translated, it would have been a 3-of in every side deck ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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