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Blake Newbie

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WOW, so much complaining in here, jeez, cards will be released when they're released, at least be happy that they are trying to release anime and manga cards.

This is pack filler, so... Your point is wrong, as this type of scars should never be released ahead of others. The complaints are in the right.
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This is pack filler, so... Your point is wrong, as this type of scars should never be released ahead of others. The complaints are in the right.

 

 

I find it amusing how they actually printed this.

Random as hell, yes, but still... It's amusing.

 

 

You both have points. I'm glad we're getting anime/manga cards, its just this is kind of random. Especially since I think Yusei only used it once, and in the last duel of 5Ds no less. 

 

And for those who are probably thinking "Why did they release this and not a Temporal Machine God", its because I'm willing to bet we never will.

 

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Z-ONE/Monster_A

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Toffee. Newbie

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You both have points. I'm glad we're getting anime/manga cards, its just this is kind of random. Especially since I think Yusei only used it once, and in the last duel of 5Ds no less.

Black's point is more accurate.
I mean, it IS pack filler, but at least it wasn't something they made up on the spot for the sake of being just that, since This at least was seen in the anime at some point.
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WOW, so much complaining in here, jeez, cards will be released when they're released, at least be happy that they are trying to release anime and manga cards.


To be fair, while it is neat to see anime/manga cards getting printed, everyone has the right to complain since it's more than likely no one will use it.

I myself love how it's completely untouched (a little buffed even to work against Raigeki) but I'd rather not make room for either.
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Sleepy Mentor

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You both have points. I'm glad we're getting anime/manga cards, its just this is kind of random. Especially since I think Yusei only used it once, and in the last duel of 5Ds no less. 

 

And for those who are probably thinking "Why did they release this and not a Temporal Machine God", its because I'm willing to bet we never will.

 

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Z-ONE/Monster_A

To be fair, having boss game cards doesn't necessarily mean that it can't exist normally. I mean look at Pegasus' boss cards.

That said, I still don't think Temporal Machine Gods are fair by any means, but I think if anything they'll wait for them to become more tolerable for the game (which on itself is a scary thought much like Chaos Emperor and Raigeki being "fine" at any time ever).

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To be fair, having boss game cards doesn't necessarily mean that it can't exist normally. I mean look at Pegasus' boss cards.

That said, I still don't think Temporal Machine Gods are fair by any means, but I think if anything they'll wait for them to become more tolerable for the game (which on itself is a scary thought much like Chaos Emperor and Raigeki being "fine" at any time ever).

Am i looking at different timelords? because i think they are ok, http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Sandaion,_the_Timelordthese guys right?

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Am i looking at different timelords? because i think they are ok, http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Sandaion,_the_Timelordthese guys right?

 

Wouldn't think there are other Timelords in this game so yeah.

Not all of them are. For example, there are a couple that just by being Summoned back to back will deplete a player's LP regardless of how big those LP get. 

Most of other ones are not fair by any means from a design point of view, but gradually become tolerable for the IRL game, which is not really a good thing.

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Wouldn't think there are other Timelords in this game so yeah.

Not all of them are. For example, there are a couple that just by being Summoned back to back will deplete a player's LP regardless of how big those LP get. 

Most of other ones are not fair by any means from a design point of view, but gradually become tolerable for the IRL game, which is not really a good thing.

The problem would be consistently getting them out and keeping them out though. If they nerfed a few of them down, they honestly wouldn't be THAT much higher than Tier 2 at best

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Pack filler as it is, I actually like how this card works in comparison to the other bajillion stalling "lolnoBP" cards (T-Roar, Waboku, Scarecrow). It sucks because it doesn't say "lolnoBP," but it's still pretty cool that it encourages you to give your opponent something to do instead of going "Can I win this turn?" "No, Fader."

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it's still pretty cool that it encourages you to give your opponent something to do instead of going "Can I win this turn?" "No, Fader."

 

I find this a bit silly. Cards with counterplay and telegraphed effects aren't better-designed just because there are more ways to overcome them.

 

[spoiler='Long-ass rant on design']

MST is a simple card with a lot of applications. It's not often telegraphed, but sometimes you can tell your opponent has it based on what they search. If you predict it, you can set up chainable Traps to punish.

 

Night Beam trades flexibility for the power to quash chainable Traps. Since it is a strategic card with few tactical +1 applications, it is harder to predict than MST and offers little counterplay. While it does its job well, it doesn't protect the user from face-up Continuous cards. So its effectiveness depends on your opponent's Deck composition before the game has even started. Is this a design sin? No, because its effectiveness depends on your monsters' weaknesses and your opponent will make further plays as if you had Night Beam. Even in Game 1, Night Beam telegraphs information. The simplicity of MST and Artifact Ignition makes the inclusion of narrower cards give information.

 

Fader and Scarecrow say "I'm not going to develop my field." Fader adds "...but I might Tribute Summon, or I might be maxing out Scarecrow."

Waboku says "I want to battle but not to fight, or I might be maxing out Roar."

The lack of counterplay on Roar and Scarecrow makes the inclusion of generally weaker cards give information.

 

Scramble Egg bumps a niche that is already full. 

It doesn't say "I don't want to fight" because it requires a monster to be destroyed.

It doesn't say "I want to Synchro" because the "on-battle Synchro Material" niche is filled by Interplanetarypurplythorny, Fader, Tragoedia and Signal Red.

It covers so many niches that it's very hard to stop it from activating, but there's no reason to because every Deck can easily kill the chick or whatever it's being used for.

You said it's a bad card and I agree.

 

But it's not just bad because it Summons a lame situational monster.

It's bad because there are some situations for some Decks where it's better than Fader

and some better than Interplanetarypurplythorny Dragon

and some better than Mirror Force.

Because it brushes so many niches without being proficient in any of them, it gives no information to the opponent beyond "I don't think you can kill this right now".

 

 

[/spoiler]

 

Tl;dr:

You do not need to provide counterplay for an easy-to-activate card that is outclassed in every niche, even if it's supposed to be "bad", because it will not require any thought to use or effort to overcome, and that's no fun.

 

This is the westside version of Forbidden Lance in its prime (back when Veiler was vogue). Veiler stopped some plays, Traps stopped others, and if you didn't have the Trap you needed, Lance worked instead. Lance could sub for Dimensional Prison, Trap Stun, Starlight Road, etc. Rai-Oh was at 3, so most Decks could benefit from at least 1 Lance sided or mained, to kill Rai-Oh or to protect it. Dark Bribe and Shrink were more or less outclassed. Unless you had Laggia, it was hard to tell between a Set Trap and a Set Lance, and the usual counterplay to Lance was another Lance. But the main problem was that the "backlash" of the card barely came into play; the stat drop didn't hurt you if you had a wall of Traps and the S/T block rarely benefited enemy monsters.

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Wouldn't think there are other Timelords in this game so yeah.

Not all of them are. For example, there are a couple that just by being Summoned back to back will deplete a player's LP regardless of how big those LP get. 

Most of other ones are not fair by any means from a design point of view, but gradually become tolerable for the IRL game, which is not really a good thing.

well the 4k and the halfing life points ones would be OP, the rest honestly could be done if it was based on hand returning, not deck returns.

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