April 2015 Banlist Discussion/Prediction

[Zauls]

Not too long until the banlist is revealed, so let's start discussing what might happen. Konami has been pretty unpredictable with the introduction of these 3 months lists. The trend is that they only really hit the meta hard every 6 months, so I don't think anything will get hit that hard. Most of what's gonna happen is cards moving down/off the list and maybe Qli and BA will get a gentle slap on the wrist, but I don't think anything major will happen. Here's my general prediction:

Banned:
Snatch Steal (nice try Konami, but you haven't power-crept the game that much yet. This card is too broken to stay limited)

 

Limited:
All the banned stuff that got errata'd

Insert random banned card here (could be anything really)

 

Semi-Limited:

Saqlifice/Skill Drain (to slap Qli on the wrist)

Graff/Skarm (to slap BA on the wrist)

Dandylion (Plant Synchro has been power crept to hell. It won't do anything)

Debris Dragon (see above)

Deep Sea Diva or Atlantean Dragoons (They wanna sell that broken new Atlantean thing that's coming out)

 

Unlimited:

Bestiari (Glads don't exist any more)

Genex Ally Birdman (it was never his fault and Divine Wind is limited anyway)

Glow-Up Bulb (having it @1 does nothing)

Dark Strike Fighter (its terrible now)

Neo-Spacian Grand Mole (why is this still on the list?)

Sacred Sword of Seven Stars (because Dragon Rulers are relevant, right?)

Goyo Guardian (having it at 2 does nothing)

Dark Hole (2 or 3, what's the difference? Its not even good any more)

Hieratic Seal of Convocation (Hieratics don't exist any more)

Advanced Ritual Art (the way Rituals are going, this probably won't be used ever again)

 

So yeah, just a little clean-up really.

[Blake]

The new Atlantean probably won't get here until next year. It's past the cut-off for World Superstars by 2 packs.

[ems97]

Well my banlist wish to be limited is the OG Trishula because it doesn't make sense that the Necloth of Trishula is still playable and the other one is stayed banned. I say put both the Necloth and the dragon @1 so it can be reasonable. Another in mind should be Chaos Emperor Dragon and/or Heavy Storm (they gave us Raigeki). Lastly for those people who still plays HERO #freemyhomeboyStratos even though I don't play HERO.

[Peridank]

I don't agree with mole... that thing can still hurt ALOT of decks. And seeing how konami like to be late with hitting the meta... shaddolls will most likely be hit as well.

[Slinky]

Well my banlist wish to be limited is the OG Trishula because it doesn't make sense that the Necloth of Trishula is still playable and the other one is stayed banned. I say put both the Necloth and the dragon @1 so it can be reasonable. Another in mind should be Chaos Emperor Dragon and/or Heavy Storm (they gave us Raigeki). Lastly for those people who still plays HERO #freemyhomeboyStratos even though I don't play HERO.

 

This is bullshit logic for 2 reasons

 

Synchro Trish is fully generic.

Nekroz Trish only works in 1 deck.

 

Synchro Trish doesn't care if 1 section has a target or not.

Nekroz Trish does.

 

 

Heavy Storm can stay banned. I've been saying this for ages. We need a normal spell that destroy 2 backrow, and put that at 1. And voila, instant Heavy Storm replacement that also doesn't fully discourage the use of backrow. Also, WE HAVE RAIGEKI, WHY NOT HEAVY STORM, is also bullshit logic. Monsters are significantly easier to replace than backrow. 

 

And even with its errata. CED - EotE should never see the light of day again.

[Delibirb]

*Erhrm*

Birdman is part of a 3 card f/otk that will become ridiculously more plausible with his unlimited. Gallis the star burn is too easy as it is.

Number 95 is coming soon and with it Rulers will be getting a massive boost. Sacred Sword needs to stay where it is. Hieratic seal and debris as well.

Dark hole is not being used because we now have raigeki and there's no need to run 2-3 copies of a topdeck card. That however doesn't mean dark hole is fine enough to have at 3. It is still a massive board wipe and there will be decks who can take advantage of that (perhaps fire kings with their island)

Anyway. I'd like Saq at 1 tbh. It's their best card because it does 4 much. ATK boost, battle immunity, double tribute, and searching is too much one 1 card at 3 copies.

[Slinky]

*Erhrm*

Birdman is part of a 3 card f/otk that will become ridiculously more plausible with his unlimited. Gallis the star burn is too easy as it is.

Number 95 is coming soon and with it Rulers will be getting a massive boost. Sacred Sword needs to stay where it is. Hieratic seal and debris as well.

Dark hole is not being used because we now have raigeki and there's no need to run 2-3 copies of a topdeck card. That however doesn't mean dark hole is fine enough to have at 3. It is still a massive board wipe and there will be decks who can take advantage of that (perhaps fire kings with their island)

Anyway. I'd like Saq at 1 tbh. It's their best card because it does 4 much. ATK boost, battle immunity, double tribute, and searching is too much one 1 card at 3 copies.

 

Then ban Gallis. Gimmicky bullshit like that is already banned, so why not add more to it?

[Spinny]

Ban both Nekroz ritual spells, all of DN's problems solved.

[liljramos88]

Here is wàt I would like to see
Baned
Snatch Steal (Problem Card)
Raigeki(Problem Card)
Limited
Skill Drain(Qli need a hit)
Instant fusion(Noden is insane)
Shock Master(Might get hate for this but I think he could be at 1)
Prep. Of Rites or Manju(Nekroz)
Crush Card(its getting reprented)
Semi-Limited
Deep Sea Diva(Promote the new Atlanteans and gives a boost to Mermails, Rather have diva than Dragoons at 2 Mermails can be a problem if Dragoons were at 2)
Sag(Qli)
Hornet(we need him back I don't see a problem with him at two)
Thunder King(Helps Stun most Decks)
Geargiagear(I want it back lol)
Dandy(Plant Synchro)
Dante,Sarm, or Graff( I know that B.A. sshould get hit but I don't know how)
Unlimited
Hieretic Seal(I rather deal with Hieretic Rulers than Nekroz)
Goyo(It did nothing at 2)
Chaos sorc(Barely see this run)
Lone Fire(Plants need a boost)

[VampireofDarkness]

Noden still isn't in the TCG. As for my hits, maybe Snatch Steal back to 0, Djinn to 0, Prep of Rites to 1, Saqlifice to 1 or 2, Skill Drain to 1 or 2, and if they decide to be late to the party, Winda to 1. Can't think of much else. I would say Tour Guide, but we got Fluffal support coming up in CROS

[Blake]

Noden still isn't in the TCG. As for my hits, maybe Snatch Steal back to 0, Djinn to 0, Prep of Rites to 1, Saqlifice to 1 or 2, Skill Drain to 1 or 2, and if they decide to be late to the party, Winda to 1. Can't think of much else. I would say Tour Guide, but we got Fluffal support coming up in CROS

tgu is a worse support than edge imp tomahawk so not really @fluffals

[liljramos88]

Yeah true but instant fusion helps make so many plays and is so splashable.

[VampireofDarkness]

tgu is a worse support than edge imp tomahawk so not really @fluffals

I still see them making a dumb article about it though, but you got a point

Yeah true but instant fusion helps make so many plays and is so splashable.

Until we get Cyber Dragon Infinity or Noden, it's fine where it is. It's less splashable then you think when you take those 2 out of the equation, because most plays you would want to do with it can be accomplished better in most Decks with other cards, and it mostly fulfills the role of a combo piece like in Infernity where you don't want monsters clogging up the hand. Aside from that, it isn't the greatest thing in the world

[ihop]

It's 2015.

[Zauls]

It's 2015.

 

Oh shit, where did that year go? Edited.

 

Its funny how this one post is also a valid argument to many peoples' posts in this thread.

[Neutrality Man]

Limited
Skill Drain(Qli need a hit)
 

Then hit Saqlifice, Tool, or both. Hitting Skill Drain won't do a damn thing to them, since they can easily run the Monarch Support with a little more skillful management. (I use the Monarch Skill Drain instead in my builds.)

[Bringerofcake]

I THINK Konami is going to hit shaddolls

 

I WANT Konami to

 

Hit Saqlifice (Equip ROTA that searches a ROTA to search another copy, and almost impossible to deal with.
Moralltach to 2 (A personal choice, I don't think Moraltach hurts too much, but 3 is overkill.)
Hit Djinn Releaser (Necloth shouldn't get a better, harder to kill Vanity's just because it can't run floodgates)
Bestiari to 2-3 (Deserves a new lease on life more than Stratos, who is still too abuseable)

Ban eclipse wyvern (94 does too much on its own without being a Red-Eyes summon machine, and Eclipse is one the most toxic searchers this game has IMO)

Reasoning to 1 (Either that, or a re-ruling on its effect/slight errata that prevents infernoids from abusing it. This was a supreme oversight when Infernoids were made, and although they're not top tier, it's still a card that needs to be dealt with soon.)

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

I know it won't happen, but I wish (for completely unaltruistic reasons) that we could get Bottomless to 2. As said above, Moralltach to 2 would also be pretty sick.

[Althemia]

Banned
Snatch Steal

Limited
All of the stuff getting errata'd in Premium Gold 2
Elemental HERO Stratos (With Blazeman coming out and HERO not being as hugely prominent as they may have wanted them to be, Stratos coming back might be one of the things they consider to make sure World Superstars sells.)
Fire Lake of the Burning Abyss (I don't think they'll hit any of the monsters so they can continue to be really heavy on that kinda thing, but Fire Lake is a problematic card for the deck's future. Hit it like Geargiagear)
Manju/Senju (Taking the OCG approach on this would be a good idea imo, limiting these 2 does a lot to stop the deck especially since it makes Book of Eclipse a little more niche)
Saqlifice (Card is way too good to be honest, putting it to 2 I feel is a little bit too lenient.)

Semi-Limited
Dandylion (Some weird thing about semi-limiting Dandylion in order to push Premium Gold 2's plant support.)
Gladiator Beast Bestiari (This is more of a hope than a prediction, but it'll be the only one on the list. Konami pls.)
Skill Drain (Hit for Qliphort and pre-emptive hit for Blue-Eyes Ruler)

Unlimited
Pretty much completely agreed with the OP, outside of the stuff I put in other categories.

[ihop]

Serious post:

 

I don't buy the "Konami isn't going to hit anything in April" argument because they hardly hit anything at all last list and BA and Qliphort have both been around for aages. I don't see all that much of a Nekroz hit but I think Qliphort and Burning Abyss will get hit a reasonable amount. List time:

 

Banned:

Snatch Steal - when people ask their opponent's to side it out it's probably banworthy. See Sixth Sense.

 

Limited:

Skill Drain - it definitely does hit Qliphort lol. It's also a stupid card anyway and I'm surprised it's taken so long for people to see it. Now that a top deck plays it it's getting seen a lot, hit please.

Saqlifice - I'd say a Summoner's Art hit would be even better but since it's good in Igknights (I think) they'll probably leave it alone. Summoner's Art's almost certainly going to be hit in the future though as Pendulums will just make it a slippery slope. Saqlifice is so versatile and actually it's really handy when equipped too.

Errata'd jank cards

Heavy Storm? Serpent? Brionac? Tribe? Stratos? (Heroes are still garbage atm lol) who knows

PREPARATION OF RITES: omg this thing is such a ridiculous topdeck as it's basically the only card that can get massive advantage back out of literally nothing. Brio means it can search literally any Ritual and then it gets back a spell too, but even without that second bit it's so stupid. Senju and Manju might go eventually, but right now this thing is IMO the most stupid card in Nekroz and I don't think they'd hit more than this if at all.

Scarm, Malebranche of the Burning Abyss - I thought long and hard about this because I honestly think BA will be hit out of contention this list since they've been around for ages. I'm not sure if Scarm's the right thing here, but its ability to consistently search Tourguide and the fact that opening Tourguide makes Tourguide every turn an easy possibility seems a bit silly to me. It's also really good to just set because 2k defense is kinda hard to crack especially if you have a Vanity's. There's so many things you can hit in BA but none of them really seem to solve the problem on their own, but I think this is as close as it gets. Obviously Tourguide deserves the hit more but I don't think Konami want to make Tourguide obsolete yet.

 

Semi'd: 

This is so unpredictable that I'm not going to bother. Dandylion's an obvious choice but there's tons of limited cards atm that are so crap that they could easily go to 2 or even 3. Could be absolutely anything in here.

 

Unlimited:

Glow-Up Bulb

DSF

Again, it's really hard to predict this. I do, however, disagree with Dark Hole at 3. It's not bad at all, a fair few decks are siding it because it's great against Nekroz, and some decks are even maining it if they can fit it just because it's good against Nekroz and it's not even that bad against Qli because the deck's so prone to being OTK'ed from 5600 or 5400 LP or something that clearing the field is a step in the right direction.

[Sir Yamiegg]

Hop, I liked you better as a piggy.

Semi'd: 

This is so unpredictable that I'm not going to bother. Dandylion's an obvious choice but there's tons of limited cards atm that are so crap that they could easily go to 2 or even 3. Could be absolutely anything in here.

I agree with this. However, I do think Konami would be fine with not hitting anything.

 

It makes sense for Konami to hit Senju/Manju/Prep like in the OCG, since then they can pretend to have actually done something to Nekroz. I don't think this will happen though because they just reprinted Prep (twice) and TCG Konami like doing weird and random things and completely deviating from the Asian game. 

I feel like this is going to be a "return" list - like Glow-up and Goyo of previous lists. Konami aren't really hitting stuff with their lists anymore, as crazy as that sounds; they're letting decks rotate in and out with new sets providing the latest fad that power-creeps the last fad. The sets, not the lists, are keeping the meta ever-changing.

 

Then again this could be complete bull. ^^

[goodfusion]

I hope they don't hit Manju/Preparation of Rites, because I know Nekroz are OP but it would simply make generic Ritual monster decks (e.g Relinquished) less usable. Although I expect that if they do want to hit Nekroz it would be one of these. I also think unlimiting Advanced Ritual Art would be cool.

[Slinky]

I hope they don't hit Manju/Preparation of Rites, because I know Nekroz are OP but it would simply make generic Ritual monster decks (e.g Relinquished) less usable. Although I expect that if they do want to hit Nekroz it would be one of these. I also think unlimiting Advanced Ritual Art would be cool.

 

generic ritual monster decks aren't usable anyway. Point is moot.

[- Minimania -]

generic ritual monster decks aren't usable anyway. Point is moot.

Herald Of Perfection and Saffira are still amazing

[Zauls]

I don't buy the "Konami isn't going to hit anything in April" argument because they hardly hit anything at all last list and BA and Qliphort have both been around for aages. I don't see all that much of a Nekroz hit but I think Qliphort and Burning Abyss will get hit a reasonable amount.

 

Thing is with hitting BA and Qli but not Nekroz that much is that Nekroz will then become the only competitive deck, since Qli and BA are currently the only decks that compete against it. Nekroz is one of the most expensive decks there has been for a while and many players can't afford to play it. There will be another mass of people quitting or temporarily stopping playing like there was in Dragon Ruler/Prophecy format and that would not be nice for profits. Konami wants to sell Nekroz, but they also need event attendance to stay high and making Nekroz the only competitive deck will ruin attendance at a regional-plus level.