Sir Yamiegg Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 The April 2015 list with these changes: NEWLY BANNED Wind-Up Hunter NEWLY LIMITED Elder God Norden Nekroz of Unicore Nekroz of Brionac Senju of the Thousand Hands (it might seem odd that I limited Manju and not Senju, but that's so other Ritual decks which don't play Senju actually have a chance Elemental HERO Stratos* Dark Magician of Chaos Explanation of the following hits: With Nekroz' consistency/power dropped, the other bits of the Big 5 will start to draw level with it, so I'm hitting them too Graff, Malebranche of the Burning Abyss Satellarknight Deneb El Shaddoll Fusion Instant Fusion Ancient Fairy Dragon (no decks play it at more than 1 that aren't OTK Decks; since I'm semi-limiting Divine Wind I don't want OTKs running around) Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier Lose a Turn (floodgates aren't nice and Qlis/Yosenju abuse this too much) NEWLY SEMI-LIMITED Infernity Archfiend (YCM, you may be salty but Infernity won't be meta anyway; they'll be a great rogue pick, but honestly not game-breaking) Inzektor Hornet Sinister Serpent Thunder King Rai-Oh Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon (Okay, this is a slight risk, but I don't think it's a bad thing) Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity Book of Moon One for One Divine Wind of Mist Valley Monster Gate Super Rejuvination Infernity Barrier (A slight risk, and I'll probably get some salts for freeing Infernity, but really think about it and then tell me that they'll break the game...) NEWLY UNLIMITED Dark Strike Fighter Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En Genex Ally Birdman (this and Divine Wind were limited due to loop FTKs but limiting Fairy Dragon pretty much puts that in check) Deep Sea Diva (we haven't got Neptabyss, decks that use this have been power-creeped... yeah) Rescue Rabbit (This doesn't need to be on here anymore) Glow-Up Bulb (What's the difference between 1 and 3 with this thing?) Debris Dragon Card Trooper Tragoedia Dragon Ravine Sacred Sword of Seven Stars Symbol of Heritage Gold Sarcophagus Temple of the Kings Geargiagear * I don't really care about Stratos but he pretty much deserves to come back. The goal of this list is to bring diversity to the meta and have as many decks as possible playable. Discuss, and pass the salt! EDITS: Temple of the Kings @3, Instant Fusion @1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Yamiegg Posted May 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Any thoughts? ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Any thoughts? ._.Out of curiosity, did it ever cross your mind that you might be playing favorites with this list?Like, your list "choices" are more like "Hey guys I to play this deck again", instead of actually fixing things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dartz10 Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 personally I just want Stratos back (its the only elemental hero that is level 4 and has decent attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Yamiegg Posted May 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Out of curiosity, did it ever cross your mind that you might be playing favorites with this list? Like, your list "choices" are more like "Hey guys I to play this deck again", instead of actually fixing things. My goal was diversity - to bring decks back - and while nerfing the meta to a competitive-but-slightly-fairer state. I've brought back all the decks I can think of; none of them are degenerate, and there's no particular degeneracy at the moment in the game that I can think of, so what do I need to fix? I suppose all uninteractive FTK/OTK decks could be considered problems e.g. Magical Explosion, Blasting the Ruins, Life Equaliser, etc. but my changes are based on impact (probs should have stated that off the bat)... I think the current state of staples, etc. in the game is fine. So there's bias, but only towards my goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Any reason why Chaos Emperor Dragon is still banned post Errata? Super Rejuvination and Dragon Shrine Are amazingly good with the Red Eyes, OCG left both of them @1 for a reason. Not saying that's where they have to stay, just saying with REDMD and Ravine moving up, maybe a little....time might be good? Anyway I love the list!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Yamiegg Posted May 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Well I kinda forgot bout Chaos Emperor but thinking about it I may put it to 1. Red-Eyes is not out post Tins and is thus irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 CED goes hand in hand with more traps sooo keep that in mind Not a fan of you hitting the generic rituals for the sake of Nekrots. Limit Clausolus or Cycle and maybe another mirror if you want to put them down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Yamiegg Posted May 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Generic? As in they can be used for degenerate Sophia shenanigans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 I mean when you put it that way............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Temple of the Kings, DSF, Rai-oh, Bulb, and Serpent are the only good changes here. Everything else is either retarded, hits the wrong thing, or just plain not matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Temple of the Kings, DSF, Rai-oh, Bulb, and Serpent are the only good changes here. Everything else is either retarded, hits the wrong thing, or just plain not matter. Instead of flaming and saying "everything else" could you be more specific? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Temple of the Kings, DSF, Rai-oh, Bulb, and Serpent are the only good changes here. Everything else is either retarded, hits the wrong thing, or just plain not matter. Limited Norden is kind of a good thing too tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Limited Norden is kind of a good thing too tbh. That's an example of hitting the wrong card. Norden himself is a very fair card. Instant Fusion is the one 100% at fault here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 That's an example of hitting the wrong card. Norden himself is a very fair card. Instant Fusion is the one 100% at fault here. That's a fair point. I retract my earlier statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Yamiegg Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Norden is not a fair card. His effect looks OK on paper but the fact is that there is no once-per-turn clause on him and that is what breaks him. The combos involved in Instant Fusioning for Noden, grabbing something back, then going into a Synchro/Xyz play - those combos are in no way broken/degenerate. But we have ways to bring out multiple Nordens and OTK off of that - every OTK/FTK combo I've seen involving Norden involves multiple Nordens through Fusion Gate (except the Vylon Cube one where you make a bunch of Synchros and swing for game... but that would happen whether Instant Fusion or Norden were hit). And Fusion Gate is not a broken card. So neither is Norden, @1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Wait, Norden is fair? As in, it's fair to turn CoTH into a generic Rank 4 each time it's played? As in, it's fair to turn Instant Fusion into a generic Rank 4 each time it's played? Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Surely if Noden's Instant Fusion interactions were balanced and good for the game then it would make more sense to ban Fusion gate which produces almost only degenerate plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireofDarkness Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 And Fusion Gate is not a broken card. it would make more sense to ban Fusion gate which produces almost only degenerate plays. I would have to go with iHop. Fusion Gate is actually quite a degenerate card, there just is ONE thing holding it back: The materials must be banished. But lets take that out of the picture. We have a Field Spell. Searchable by Terraforming and all and stays on the field. This Field Spell lets you Fusion Summon...... ANY NUMBER OF TIMES Lemme repeat that again: ANY number of times. This is where the crazy plays always come in. Fusion Gate is not a good card, but that does not mean it is a fair card at all, and is mostly capable of degenerate plays. When we have the Chain Material/Fusion Gate combo, what enables it to go wild? The fact that Fusion Gate lets you summon ANY number of times. When Blaze Fenix goes rampant with Ancient Fairy Dragon and all, what enables all those shenanigans? The fact that you Fusion Gate lets you summon ANY number of times. This is very underlooked by some people, and this is why it tends to result in degenerate plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rividium Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 its the only elemental hero that is level 4 and has decent attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Bad counterpoint is bad. Maybe you didn't read its effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Have you not seen the Noden loops mate. Both Instant Fusion and it deserve to be at 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Yamiegg Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Have you not seen the Noden loops mate. Both Instant Fusion and it deserve to be at 1 I've seen the Norden loops, yeah... and you're right tbh. In my opinion Norden is fair at 1 with Instant Fusion at 3 in today's meta, where it won't really have an impact (no Cydrafinity, no Utopia Lightning), but DysonSlinky is whining too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 This isn't just Dyson whining. Everyone is disagreeing with you. Three instant fusion simply is not ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 This isn't just Dyson whining. Everyone is disagreeing with you. Three instant fusion simply is not ok. Are you blind? Can you clearly not see I said both need to be at 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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