Lonk Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Each time a Spell Card is activated, place 1 Spell Counter on this card when that Spell Card resolves (max. 3). You can remove 3 Spell Counters from this card; draw 1 card. So yeah, everyone is complaining how Chicken Race made Life Equalizer FTK consistent, but I think this card is the real culprit of the consistency. This card is the reason why FTKs involving this card's use are able to gain advantage off of their plays rather than just maintain or lose it. This card is a staple in FTK-centric Decks nowadays and it even works well in Igknights. I say that if a card should get hit in the next format, it should be this. Chicken Race is basically upstart with some bad issues, but it isn't nearly as bad as the issues with this card.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Yeah, this card is definitely the problem. Its been the centerpiece of far too many FTKs and OTKs in the past and all it does it enable more. Its terrible outside of them as well (unless we're counting Igknights, which is basically an FTK deck anyway). The card is an absolute cancer to the game and needs to be banned asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 When this was printed, there weren't exactly a lot of situations where this card could repeatedly accumulate the counters and empty it for massive draws. Then everything changed when the generic draw power attacked. If we strap on an OPT clause, how badly will it damage the FTKs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 If we strap on an OPT clause, how badly will it damage the FTKs? They'd become unviable. And yes, this card's broken and FTKish. Then again, so is life equalizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 They'd become unviable. And yes, this card's broken and FTKish. Then again, so is life equalizer. The difference between this and Life Equalizer is that Life Equalizer is a gimmick card while this card is consistency. Without this card, Life Equalizer is crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 So lets see, if we outright ban Library....Exodia takes a big hit(But who plays Exodia anyway?)Igknights loose a draw engineChicken Race.dek no longer existsAnd various other half-assed FTK/OTK decks typically won't exist either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 So lets see, if we outright ban Library.... Exodia takes a big hit(But who plays Exodia anyway?) Igknights loose a draw engine Chicken Race.dek no longer exists And various other half-assed FTK/OTK decks typically won't exist either Igknights lose a LOT of their power and consistency without Library. It would be a pretty damn big hit for them. That's fine though, because Igknights are stupid. All the other points are very positive indeed, so yeah, let's ban Library. Unfortunately it won't happen because Konami want to sell Igknights and Chicken Race. Wow this game is gonna suck in 3 months' time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Igknights lose a LOT of their power and consistency without Library. It would be a pretty damn big hit for them. That's fine though, because Igknights are stupid. All the other points are very positive indeed, so yeah, let's ban Library. Unfortunately it won't happen because Konami want to sell Igknights and Chicken Race. Wow this game is gonna suck in 3 months' time. Except Igknights are sadly shit whether with or without the Library. And not that Library makes them THAT much better. You will rarely get off more than 1 draw from it and once you initially explode, you will no longer have tons of fooder for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Igknights lose a LOT of their power and consistency without Library.That's actually what I meant.Library lets them keep drawing stuff/more Igknights/searchers/etcBut without it, then they become awkward due to the fact that their plays become weirder and weirder depending on how many they have in-hand that aren't the Level 4 ones.(Not that Strike Bounzer/etc plays are bad or anything, but opening with Infinity + other monsters wins games for them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Igknights are terrible and life equaliser burn loses so convincingly to any clown deck that it won't be that big an issue. It is a broken card, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Igknights really are an FTK deck. Inconsistent, lose to just about any sided card/handtrap, and they don't even win the game for it. Sure, they're going to steal games, but it's doubtful that they'll have any real success in a game with matches.this shouldn't exist for sure though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 To take a page out of Black's book, if this card is the reason why Igknights are even a viable deck right now, then Igknights don't deserve to be a viable deck at all. I would personally love to see this card go, if only to cut back the amount of FTK/troll decks out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 I wouldn't mind to see it go, honestly. Igknights will get more stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuelSpectre Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 inb4KonamibansLibraryandmakesanarchetypespecificRML. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 The real problem with this card is that it allows decks to win, even if said deck IS NOT A GOOD DECK. In a competitive game such as this, which thrives upon a metagame consisting of about half a dozen decks (at maximum), the ability for rogue combo deck to damage statistics is a very real thing. No, decks that use library will not win often. But the fact still remains that they are capable of winning, even against the strongest decks at the time, simply because they care very little about what the opponent is using. It is not fair to a tournament player to have their lossless night ruined by a rogue deck that opened with its winning hand. tl;dr: I suddenly hate rogue decks and have no clue when said change happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireofDarkness Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Unfortunately it won't happen because Konami want to sell Igknights and Chicken Race. Konami won't keep an FTK Deck in the top tables just to sell a common and an archetype. FTK Decks that have topped even ONCE have gotten shut the hell down. Frog FTK, after it topped, got shut the f down. Noden FTK, after it topped, even at a smaller event, was the REAL reason why Instant Fusion was put to 1, Blaze Fenix also got hurt and eventually Mathman did as well, who sent Vylon Cube for the loop. And remember the last time we tried to break Igknights and then Konami had the ruling where both cards need to be destroyed? I think in July we'll see a few things happen similarly on both ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Konami won't keep an FTK Deck in the top tables just to sell a common and an archetype. FTK Decks that have topped even ONCE have gotten shut the hell down. Frog FTK, after it topped, got shut the f down. Noden FTK, after it topped, even at a smaller event, was the REAL reason why Instant Fusion was put to 1, Blaze Fenix also got hurt and eventually Mathman did as well, who sent Vylon Cube for the loop. And remember the last time we tried to break Igknights and then Konami had the ruling where both cards need to be destroyed? I think in July we'll see a few things happen similarly on both ends You're assuming Chicken Race is going to be a common in the TCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Igknights are entirely formed by vanilla pendulums and vanilla monsters. Konami could give them something down the road but if they were meant to work in a way other than "get it all ASAP" they would have gotten some individuality for the members other than the Levels from the get go, at least on the Scale forms. As a pure Pendulum deck of this nature, it probably needs a ratio of like 24+ monsters in the main deck to make Pendulum Summons swarm. Maybe they could get new focus via First of the Dragons and Poly, and the vanilla support like Dark Factory for when they make Xyz plays and waste their cards..... or Pendulum Back also works... I don't have much else in mind they could do... Maybe give them a Pendulum Tuner or something? How would they be made into an alright deck if Library went away? aaaaand I agree Library is either not viable to splash in most decks, or it focuses on FTKs. It'd be fine if it was banned IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Library is a reason that Butterfly Dagger needs to stay banned. Okay, so Gearfried's involved there, too, but...wait, why am I even pretending that people care about Butterfly Dagger? Library is one of those cards that'd be okay if it either wasn't so hard to get the draw from in a conventional Spell Counter Deck that doesn't involve search Spells that search themselves (Toon Table, etc), or if... Nope. I've got nothing. Library feels like a slippery slope no matter what, but Pendulums and the recent trend of "Pendulums that search Pendulums by killing Pendulum Scales" (Igknights, Dragoknight, Odd-Eyes, Performapal to some extent, etc) just makes this increasingly problematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 It'd probably be pretty nice if this card got a retrain version. Maybe a Pendulum Monster with a cheaper cost and a hard OPT clause. That'd make it contribute to Spell Counter generation, make it recurrent for Spell Counter decks to use, and would still need to be cheap and generic enough to use for the everyday deck that would want to splash it in for a little draw (rather than the current IRL version and its FTKs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 When this was printed, there weren't exactly a lot of situations where this card could repeatedly accumulate the counters and empty it for massive draws. Then everything changed when the generic draw power attacked. Pretty much this, but Igknights are the reason we're even discussing it. Card is proof of why mechanical from 10 years ago don't mesh well with the modern game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Again, Igknights are the last reason why this card is broken. That deck is completly shit and Library doesn't change much in that regard. FTKs are the only plausible reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Again, Igknights are the last reason why this card is broken. That deck is completly s*** and Library doesn't change much in that regard. FTKs are the only plausible reason. I didn't say Igknights were why Library was broken. I said it was why we were discussing them. There is a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireofDarkness Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 You're assuming Chicken Race is going to be a common in the TCG. That wasn't the point, not the point at all! Let me remind you of the point FTK Decks that have topped even ONCE have gotten shut the hell down. Frog FTK, after it topped, got shut the f down. Noden FTK, after it topped, even at a smaller event, was the REAL reason why Instant Fusion was put to 1, Blaze Fenix also got hurt and eventually Mathman did as well, who sent Vylon Cube for the loop. And remember the last time we tried to break Igknights and then Konami had the ruling where both cards need to be destroyed? I think in July we'll see a few things happen similarly on both ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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