Yellow Jacket Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Blue-Eyes Shining DragonLIGHT**********10Dragon/Effect30002500This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by offering 1 "Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon" on your side of the field as a Tribute. Increase the ATK of this card by 300 points for each Dragon-Type monster in your graveyard. You can negate the effect of Spell, Trap, and Monster Cards that designate this card. So he's an old classic but I decided to run him in my Blue-Eyes deck at 3 with 3 Melody's so I have alternative cards for Melody's effect. I always got pissed when I had Ultimate Dragon out and no Shining Dragon anywhere so I bumped him to 3 so I get better odds. Anyways, what are your thoughts on the card(99% of you will call it trash)? Do you think it deserves an errata to make it its movie equivalent? What would you think if someone managed to summon it against you? And lastly, do you see any future for this card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 It's not trash, but if you already have out Blue-eyes Ultimate shouldn't you already have game? And no, it doesn't deserve and errata, because that's not what erratas are for. Erratas are used usually just to change the wording on an effect to make it more clear in the case of wording disputes. They were never meant to be used to directly change an effect, and only recently has konami used them to change effects exclusively to try to take cards off the already crowded Forbidden list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Jacket Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 The only thing I'd like Konami to change on this card really is. "Must FIRST be Special Summoned". The destruction effect is just a bonus. And I've had Ultimate Dragon on the board before and not won. But I mostly summon this for bragging right;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Do what they did for Ra. Shining Evolution: banish 1 BEUD from Extra, special one BESD, ignore SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Actually not a hard card to get out with the support we have access to today, and once it's on the field it's really good. Also the thing is, BEUD isn't a win condition; it's a vanilla beatstick with no inherent protection. If you're summoning BESD using a BEUD, that's 4 dragons in the grave by default which is an additional 1200 attack, making this 4200 ATK when you summon it. Knowing that a Dragon deck can typically get more than that in the grave and this guy is definitely worth tributing BEUD for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Movie version was straight-up immune to everything, if I remember correctly. You could also tribute it to, appearently, destroy any card, regardless of what effect(s) said.Or something like that....Both are just... Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Jacket Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 "Cannot be Normal Summoned/Set. Must first be Special Summoned from your hand by tributing 1 "Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon" you control. This card gains 300 ATK for every Dragon-Type monster in your graveyard. If this card is targeted by a card effect, you can negate that effect. Once per turn, during either players' turn, you can tribute this card to destroy any card(s) on the field." Just typing down its movie effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 The effort required is not worth the investment. Blue-Eyes Ultimate requires the investment of 3 Blue-Eyes and a Fusion card, barring things like Cyber-Stein or something else to cheat it out, and has 4500 base ATK. This...well, it COULD be stronger than Ultimate Dragon, but it's dead unless you already have it out. It's a Main Deck card reliant on an Extra Deck card, which is reliant on 3 specific Main Deck cards...just run Five-Headed Dragon and Dragon's Mirror. You'll get it out more reliably than this. Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon is more consistent, in my opinion, because it's far easier to Summon, and only has 600 ATK less (and no anti-targeting, admittedly). I'd even be more willing to use Black Luster (Ritual) and King of the Swamp to get out Dragon Master Knight than to dedicate so many cards to try to drop this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Jacket Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Yeah but I bet if you managed to summon this card on someone it would have a more fear approach. While I never have as I've never brought it to a tournament yet. I have a feeling about the "fear factor" because when I brought a Blue-Eyes deck and a Galaxy deck it was always like: "Blue-Eyes White Dragon? Dark Hole." And then they'd Monster Reborn it. I never have gotten a response like that except with Blue-Eyes stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello my name is Enguin Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Yeah but I bet if you managed to summon this card on someone it would have a more fear approach. While I never have as I've never brought it to a tournament yet. I have a feeling about the "fear factor" because when I brought a Blue-Eyes deck and a Galaxy deck it was always like: "Blue-Eyes White Dragon? Dark Hole." And then they'd Monster Reborn it. I never have gotten a response like that except with Blue-Eyes stuff. What fear? There is so much non-targeting removal now, as well as accessible monsters to run it over in battle. All it really messes with that come immediately to mind are 101 and Castel, but decks that can make them can make Exciton and S39 Lightning. It's cool that it can just kill things like CDI and Pleades though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 It's not seeing any play in OCG even with stein while BEUD is. I think that speaks volumes about its worth. If there were some deck that could use stein easily outside of Infernoids then maybe. I was thinking, Stein->Ultimate->Shining->Tribute to get LP=Atk card->Stein....but that's a neg 2 engine that might not net you that much LP They need to answer the simple question. What about BESD make it worth anymore than Exterio or BEUD. If it had the killer claus, then maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 The card would be really good if it was summoned by tributing BEWD rather than BEUD, like its counterpart Red Eyes Darkness Dragon. I am ok with a metagame based on Blue-Eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 The card would be really good if it was summoned by tributing BEWD rather than BEUD, like its counterpart Red Eyes Darkness Dragon. I am ok with a metagame based on Blue-Eyes.Happened a couple times actually. March 2013 post SD25 - Maiden Books easily overtook Dragon Rulers due to Rulers not having a good Azure outSeptember 2013, February 2014, April 2014- Blue Eyes Rulers Fill in the spots of my ignorance with TCG relevant information too Now a BESD meta has yet to occur to my knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Those aren't blue eyes decks, really. They just use blue eyes as a tool. He is really good in traditional rulers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 It's not seeing any play in OCG even with stein while BEUD is. I think that speaks volumes about its worth. If there were some deck that could use stein easily outside of Infernoids then maybe. I was thinking, Stein->Ultimate->Shining->Tribute to get LP=Atk card->Stein....but that's a neg 2 engine that might not net you that much LP They need to answer the simple question. What about BESD make it worth anymore than Exterio or BEUD. If it had the killer clause, then maybeAromages can regen Life fast enough to run Cyberstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Jacket Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Basically the way I see it, they should find a way to actually make this card WORTH playing. I'd summon it if I had an BEUD but when Shining dies, its all back to Ultimate. I just don't like the idea of a 1-hit wonder thing. A skilled Red-Eyes duelist can easily get out multiple Darkness Dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Why they didn't make this for the BEWD and instead for BEUD IDK as it would of saw a lot of play with BEWD as the required condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Why they didn't make this for the BEWD and instead for BEUD IDK as it would of saw a lot of play with BEWD as the required condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Jacket Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 I think they need to retrain this card or something all together. It might've been made this way so Ultimate Dragon had a reason for play but Blue Eyes decks don't even run Ultimate anymore. We need more Blue Eyes support as a whole so Ultimate and Shining are back in the picture. I mean c'mon, I summoned Ultimate Dragon at a local once. Everyone was jabroniing about how bad of a move that was. "You gave up 3 3000 ATK monsters for 1 4500 one". True, but can't you all be gracious with what you saw? You never see Ultimate used anywhere! Sorry for the rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 I think they need to retrain this card or something all together. It might've been made this way so Ultimate Dragon had a reason for play but Blue Eyes decks don't even run Ultimate anymore. We need more Blue Eyes support as a whole so Ultimate and Shining are back in the picture. I mean c'mon, I summoned Ultimate Dragon at a local once. Everyone was jabroniing about how bad of a move that was. "You gave up 3 3000 ATK monsters for 1 4500 one". True, but can't you all be gracious with what you saw? You never see Ultimate used anywhere! Sorry for the rant. It's only a bad move if you fused them while they were on the Field. It's one of the things that makes Neo Galaxy-Eyes often completely unnecessary before the massive amount of Galaxy support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Jacket Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 It's only a bad move if you fused them while they were on the Field. It's one of the things that makes Neo Galaxy-Eyes often completely unnecessary before the massive amount of Galaxy support.Oh I fused from the field. I didn't care. I was there trying to make highlights, winning was a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 If only there was a prisma like monster that worked to take the name of an extra deck monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Jacket Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Yeah but it would probably be abused as funk. Problem with Blue Eyes is that unlike Red Eyes, it doesn't share an archetype name. So as of now, Blue Eyes can't get cards with an effect like "add 1 Blue-Eyes monster from your deck to your hand". Konami really needs to rethink this kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 No I just mean like "Once per turn: You can reveal 1 Monster from your Extra Deck. This card's name becomes that monster's name, until the End Phase." Something along those lines. It would boost Utopia Decks as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Jacket Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 No I just mean like "Once per turn: You can reveal 1 Monster from your Extra Deck. This card's name becomes that monster's name, until the End Phase." Something along those lines. It would boost Utopia Decks as well.Yeah but you've gotta count that the meta would do it as well. Every time I've seen a card that is like "oh hey this would go GREAT in a Blue Eyes deck" the meta has already figured that out for their deck and sheet. Point in example, Djinn Releaser of Rituals. Thought I'd try a build on Sapphira and Paladin but Nekroz already just about broke it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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