mido9 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Okay, and im just throwing this out here. I would totally love to swap exterio and meta just to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Level 10: Cyber End Dragon, Destiny End Dragoon, Naturia Exterio, Gaiastralio.how the f*** are you even getting a level 10 on board? Tragodia Metal Reflect Slime Night Express Knight Mother Grizzly into Koitsu Metaion the Timelord Lemuria in a Water-centered Deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Tragodia Metal Reflect Slime Night Express Knight Mother Grizzly into Koitsu Lemuria in a Water-centered Deck Literally 1 worthwhile card in that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 0. Red-Eyes Darkness Metal DragonTragoedia - 5. meh ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Tragodia Metal Reflect Slime Night Express Knight Mother Grizzly into Koitsu Metaion the Timelord Lemuria in a Water-centered Deck clearly the best play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Highlander Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Level 7: Odd-Eyes Vortex DragonPendulum decks can use Odd-Eyes Fusion anyways, which either does about the same or does not even require a tribute.Thing is Last Warrior and Exterio are awful design anyways and if they would limit the execution of certain ways to make older card like ryu senshi and dark baltasar etc. alive they should honestly be hit (their design is cancer anyways, whether they are actually played or not).Rampage for cybers by tributing 1 cyber dragon is mostly cute and nothing else, overload can 1 card summon it anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I mean you can't act like Metamorphosis isn't overly generic and awful design and replace it on the list with the several cards that it enables that you're banning for the same reason, just because you want to use some cards that wouldn't be used anyway. I butchered this sentence a few times and gave up. I think I got the point across tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 0. Red-Eyes Darkness Metal DragonTragoedia - 5. meh ideas. REDMD is at 1. It is searchable, but sending it for metamorphosis is not some incredible godly thing to worry about.Sending Trag is decent.Sending Shek is too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 REDMD is at 1. It is searchable, but sending it for metamorphosis is not some incredible godly thing to worry about.Sending Trag is decent.Sending Shek is too good.It's not hard for a dragon deck to get REDMD and it's certainly not hard for a dragon deck to get it on the field multiple times in a single game. Try coming back when Hieratics fill their board on you as they do and then drop an exterio in your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Construct still makes Last Warrior which is just as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I mean you can't act like Metamorphosis isn't overly generic and awful design and ban the several cards that it enables instead for the same reason just to have it back.Well like, I GUESS you're probably never going to want exterio and warrior to be playable anyway just since they're basically floodgates with legs, and the only time they've ever been used was with metamorph itself and they were broke in that interaction so.. I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 lolexterio won't make Hieratics a good deck. However, Metamorphosis gives Exterio as an option to Shaddolls, and that is not a good idea.Construct still makes Last Warrior which is just as good.umm... no it doesn'tWell like, I GUESS you're probably never going to want exterio and warrior to be playable anyway just since they're basically floodgates with legs, and the only time they've ever been used was with metamorph itself and they were broke in that interaction so.. I guess?Banning cards so that something can be unbanned is not really a practice that happens. Preemptive bans are rare, even (dragon rulers, for example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Construct still makes Last Warrior which is just as good.ITT: 7=8. Oh yeah, forgot Exterio. But exterio is a dumb card, I'd be fine with it getting hit over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Oh yeah sheet Shekhinaga into Exterio and Construct into Construct. 0 plsStick Meta seems pretty scary as another Seraph combo. Also soo hard to find these these days which sucks for goats.I came into this thread to say these mostly. Dolls and Seraphs make metamorphosis disgusting, and that's barring Last Warrior. For Seraph, his is way better than IF early. "That's cute" @Cyber Twin That's one of the strongest targets for those, even now. That's a Construct into a 5600 swing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Exodius is a better target for Exterio than pretty much everything mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Exodius is a better target for Exterio than pretty much everything mentioned.Exodius requires you to run... well... exodius. Trag is a decent card in and of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Shek to exertio is reason enough for this to stay banned. Forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I mean you can't act like Metamorphosis isn't overly generic and awful design and replace it on the list with the several cards that it enables that you're banning for the same reason, just because you want to use some cards that wouldn't be used anyway.Reminds me of Atem... He had/has such a boner for this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Shek to exertio is reason enough for this to stay banned. Forever. "Forever" (or any absolute term) is a term that needs to be used sparingly, especially since "errata" exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Construct to Cyber Twin is disgusting. Especially since chances are you'll recover El-Fusion with Construct which'll make it an OTK. But even if you can't (or if you've used El-Fusion that turn) it's still 5600 burst damage. And Shek to Exterio is the definition of shrekt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 And Shek to Exterio is the definition of shrekt. inb4 Exterio is Castelled. Exterio is very powerful, and he's part of the reason Metamorphosis is sketchy, but he's not an invincible juggernaut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 inb4 Exterio is Castelled. Exterio is very powerful, and he's part of the reason Metamorphosis is sketchy, but he's not an invincible juggernaut. It isn't, but many matchups can be trivialized with an Extrio drop. Oh, and Gaiastrio might also be a worthwile option to go to from Shek too. Key word on might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 inb4 Exterio is Castelled. Exterio is very powerful, and he's part of the reason Metamorphosis is sketchy, but he's not an invincible juggernaut.So? He has the realistic ability to do so. He's large, he can corner the opponent, and any backrow you have is leagues stronger. Answers existing doesn't change what cards do, and that point only serves as a terrible argument. This isn't costly like Cyber Stein. Shekhinaga into Exterio, Anoyatyllis into Archfiend Black Skull Dragon, Construct into Cyber Twin, Grystal into Last Warrior, Wendigo into Schuberta, Winda into Dark Balter, Seraphs/L4 dolls into Norden. While not all of these would be run, by any means, there is a fair list of cards here that are valuable plays. And that's just Dolls. D/D would have stupidly easy Exterio access, Last Warrior access, and... schuberta access...?, as well as Norden, but eh. 8's not unlikely, either. Do you even want to fathom magicians? Last Warrior is one thing, but they have a huge level range. The game is only making this more powerful, not less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 So? He has the realistic ability to do so. He's large, he can corner the opponent, and any backrow you have is leagues stronger. Answers existing doesn't change what cards do, and that point only serves as a terrible argument. This isn't costly like Cyber Stein. Shekhinaga into Exterio, Anoyatyllis into Archfiend Black Skull Dragon, Construct into Cyber Twin, Grystal into Last Warrior, Wendigo into Schuberta, Winda into Dark Balter, Seraphs/L4 dolls into Norden. While not all of these would be run, by any means, there is a fair list of cards here that are valuable plays. And that's just Dolls. D/D would have stupidly easy Exterio access, Last Warrior access, and... schuberta access...?, as well as Norden, but eh. 8's not unlikely, either. Do you even want to fathom magicians? Last Warrior is one thing, but they have a huge level range. The game is only making this more powerful, not less. I wasn't arguing for Metamorphosis to come back as-is. If I were, I would have explicitly said so. I'm also aware that Exterio's power is proportional to the backrow and other monsters supporting him. I just think one has to consider the cons of this card as well, especially if it were limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 D/D would have stupidly easy Exterio access, Last Warrior access, and... schuberta access...?, as well as Norden, but eh. 8's not unlikely, either.Also note that all 3 D/D fusions are summonable by Metamorphosis as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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