Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34419802 Not even surprising at this point. Don't know what to say since clearly gun laws will just not change regardless of how many people are senselessly killed. Another unnecessary waste of life. I mean as an Irish person looking at the frequency of these kind of incidents and the inaction with regard to reform I simply cannot understand how there's not yet been sufficient unified outcry against this kind of thing. Pretty sure most people on here are Americans so how do ye feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Sweet God almighty, how many more shootings like this are there going to be? I can't stand the fact that things like these actually happen. It's just so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34419802 Not even surprising at this point. Don't know what to say since clearly gun laws will just not change regardless of how many people are senselessly killed. Another unnecessary waste of life. I mean as an Irish person looking at the frequency of these kind of incidents and the inaction with regard to reform I simply cannot understand how there's not yet been sufficient unified outcry against this kind of thing. Pretty sure most people on here are Americans so how do ye feel. Welcome to America. Where guns are more important than people and the NRA has stupid amounts of power. That's why gun control has not passed yet. That's why gun control may NEVER pass. Seriously, very few in charge wants to talk gun control because they are too afraid of the NRA. It's really sad. Of course, you have a bunch of paranoid morons who are essentially brainwashed by the gun lobby as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shalltear Bloodfallen Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 It seriously boggles my mind that even with NRA's stupid ammount of power, there hasnt been a unified outcry against these incidents. When will the waste of human life be enough for the american people as a whole to understand that the masses cannot be trusted with this type of acess to guns. Is the greater mass that brainwashed by the gun lobby to the point they seriously consider ALL of this a necessary evil for some make believe scheme that having lots of guns floating around somehow makes things safer? (Eventhough statistic is rock solid that it's the exact opposite. Areas with few guns have significantly less crime then those with lots of guns) Seriously, the rate at which these seem to be occuring is horrifying to say the least, and that it's hitting the point where people are even being desensitied to it chills me to my core. This is a tragic, incredibly unnecessary loss of life, and should be recognised as such. My thoughts and condolences goes out to the friends and families of the victims, and I seriously wish they hadnt killed the shooter if only because I know someone, somewhere, will consider this guy a martyr, even if ultimately it just seems as a suicide by cop, judging by the article not seeming to hint at the shooter having had some kind of motive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Not this sheet again... And it's likely they'll pin the reason to the lack of armed security guards, or whatever they've discovered on the killer's social media feed, etc etc, to try and avoid suggesting tighter gun control that results in NRA backlash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQQXwSUWsAAE4DQ.jpg:large Saw this earlier today, maybe related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I can't believe it, not another Oregon shooting. Everyone was shocked when Reynolds happened, and now this. And here I thought Oregon was less prone to this. o.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 It seriously boggles my mind that even with NRA's stupid ammount of power, there hasnt been a unified outcry against these incidents. When will the waste of human life be enough for the american people as a whole to understand that the masses cannot be trusted with this type of acess to guns. Is the greater mass that brainwashed by the gun lobby to the point they seriously consider ALL of this a necessary evil for some make believe scheme that having lots of guns floating around somehow makes things safer? (Eventhough statistic is rock solid that it's the exact opposite. Areas with few guns have significantly less crime then those with lots of guns) Seriously, the rate at which these seem to be occuring is horrifying to say the least, and that it's hitting the point where people are even being desensitied to it chills me to my core. This is a tragic, incredibly unnecessary loss of life, and should be recognised as such. My thoughts and condolences goes out to the friends and families of the victims, and I seriously wish they hadnt killed the shooter if only because I know someone, somewhere, will consider this guy a martyr, even if ultimately it just seems as a suicide by cop, judging by the article not seeming to hint at the shooter having had some kind of motive. After a while, people are going to forget. The victims and families of the deceased won't. But nearly everyone else will. They play right into the NRA's hands without realizing it. That could be a reason but idk. It's really confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 My condolences to the victims and their families. This is the kind of thing that makes me pretty weary when I go to campus everyday. The feeling that public schools and institutions are now harboring hotspots for mass shootings all because a radical wants to disrupt the system from the inside. The condition of America is becoming more unstable as we let more freedoms like this pass, and frankly I dunno if enough or too much security will help at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQQXwSUWsAAE4DQ.jpg:large Saw this earlier today, maybe related? Related https://twitter.com/desertfox899/status/649675206009556992 Also related to this topic http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-36131 One day this article won't be relevant. Heavens knows it can't come soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 So apparently, the gunman allegedy was targeting Christians. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-umpqua-community-college-shooting/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 The news did say that he was asking random people what their religion was.But yeah, this is sickening that he'd want to shoot people for being Christian. They did nothing wrong to him, so what the hell? This is the kind of thing that makes me pretty weary when I go to campus everyday. The feeling that public schools and institutions are now harboring hotspots for mass shootings all because a radical wants to disrupt the system from the inside. The condition of America is becoming more unstable as we let more freedoms like this pass, and frankly I dunno if enough or too much security will help at all. Although down here is kind of safe (we don't have crazy people carrying guns on campus), I worry about this kind of stuff too on campus, especially with "odd" people coming into the student lounge in the mornings. Some of them appear to be homeless. There was a small movement a couple years ago to get armed security guards on campus for our protection, but the editor of the college paper wrote against it, saying the idea was "scary". On a somewhat related note, we do have some random guy shooting people with a pellet gun; one kid actually got hit in the back. (Granted, we have pretty tough gun laws to start with, so our crime rates are relatively low, but yeah there's this.) ----I agree that America needs tighter gun control laws, especially since we get that kind of crap at least several times a year. How many people are we going to let some psycho kill with a gun before anything is done about it? I'm not saying that people should not own a gun (especially since it is one of our basic rights to have permission to own one), but more needs to be done to ensure weapons don't land up in the hands of people who are going to do this kind of sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shalltear Bloodfallen Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Relatedhttps://twitter.com/desertfox899/status/649675206009556992 Some part of me likes to believe the only reason they're saying this is because they have anonymity to hide behind (a.k.a The Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory), but jesus christ allmighty is this still enough to make me question the type of people who hang around on 4chan. If they're doing it because of TGIFT, they're bastards. If they're doing it because they actually believe this stuff but are too afraid to say it withouth their precious anonymity, they're even greater bastards. So apparently, the gunman allegedy was targeting Christians. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-umpqua-community-college-shooting/index.htmlI dont know if this is just me wishing so hard that it aint true because it could rile up conservative christians, but I'll treat this as basicly just a rumour untill they can better confirm he did indeed go specificly for Christians. Seems to me that the question was more like a witty retort then evidence of victimology, especially since the implications of the blog post they quote goes in a entirely different direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Please tell me he wasn't Muslim...if he was...strap yourself a down, we're in for a rough few weeks of good 'ol phobia y'all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 None of the articles mentioned anything about the gunman; neither his name or any religious affiliation he may have had of his own.All we know is that he was 26 and apparently the police shot him down. Though I suspect we'll find out that info soon enough as it becomes available to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Some part of me likes to believe the only reason they're saying this is because they have anonymity to hide behind (a.k.a The Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory), but jesus christ allmighty is this still enough to make me question the type of people who hang around on 4chan. If they're doing it because of TGIFT, they're bastards. If they're doing it because they actually believe this stuff but are too afraid to say it withouth their precious anonymity, they're even greater bastards. I dont know if this is just me wishing so hard that it aint true because it could rile up conservative christians, but I'll treat this as basicly just a rumour untill they can better confirm he did indeed go specificly for Christians. Seems to me that the question was more like a witty retort then evidence of victimology, especially since the implications of the blog post they quote goes in a entirely different direction Humanity loses either way. Its truly disgusting. That was the first place my brain went, which is kind of sad when you think about it. Please tell me he wasn't Muslim...if he was...strap yourself a down, we're in for a rough few weeks of good 'ol phobia y'all Also one of the things that went through my head. Though I'd sooner guess Atheist than anything. Which will still end poorly, but I'd rather that than have it be a Muslim person. It will be ssssssooooooooooooooo much worse if it was. None of the articles mentioned anything about the gunman; neither his name or any religious affiliation he may have had of his own. All we know is that he was 26 and apparently the police shot him down. Though I suspect we'll find out that info soon enough as it becomes available to us. I thought we knew his name and that it wasn't clear if it was police or self inflicted. Either way we'll know soon enough. Also, is it just me or is this becoming more common? Like the self fueling cycle of It happens Psycho sees covers, wants the attention Time passes Psycho goes through with it Another Psycho sees covers, wants attention Times passes Goes through with it etc is pretty agreed upon as being a thing so as this become more common, which it feels like it is, I fear its only going to keep getting worse because the crazies have more and more examples to follow. Its honestly just sickening. Again, that Onion article is going to keep being relevant until something is done and it seems like it will be for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Yeah, the media tends to focus a lot on these types of incidients. So, if some psycho who wants attention sees it, well...you know. Although, it will take more than gun control to fix this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shalltear Bloodfallen Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Although, it will take more than gun control to fix this issue. Oh withouth a doubt, but gun control would deffinetely make a significant dent in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Part of it is gun control, but most likely a bigger part is the mental healt treatment in North America, or more so the lack of it. Even in Canada if you come to a doctor and say you're suffering from severe mental ailments they'll just give you some pills and brush you off A few years ago one of my best friends had a severe mental breakdown and submitted himself to the hospital. Basically what they did was give him some NyQuil to knock him out and locked him in a room for a week. How the funk is that treating the problem? The issue on Americas gun control has been brought out so many times it's starting to lose it meaning while the issues with mental health treatment are completely ignored. It's pretty sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/index.html According to the graph in this article, this country has lost over 300,000 people due to firearms between 2004-2013. Now, I don't know if it includes accidents and suicides, but if true, that is a very disturbing number in which many of those could have been prevented. I'm not sayings gun should be outright banned, but, at least make them harder to get. Unfortunately, the sad truth is, gun control will not happen after this tragedy. Even more disturbing, it may never happen. Did it happen after Columbine? No. Virgina Tech? No. Aurora? No. Sandy Hook? No. We care more about owning guns than saving the lives of people. It's a very cynical viewpoint, I know. However, can you really look at it in a different way when so many of these tragedies have happened with no action taken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 On the topic of gun suicides to put those statistics in a bit more detail; http://www.vox.com/2015/8/11/9126891/gun-suicide-rate That's 2/3's of deaths by guns in the US being suicides (For people who can't open it for whatever reason). This is actually something I did not know anything about before this. I think it's just another big reason as to why gun access needs to be restricted in your country more. Because, sure you can argue that better mental health care can solve it as well, but the sheer act of removing the guns will reduce the number of people who do this impulsively, hugely. The video even mentions alternatives to what you have that could help alleviate the issues but keep truth to the spirit of your Right to Bear arms. It's just so stupid that any modern advanced country can be in a state like this and nothing be attempted to prevent it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Part of it is gun control, but most likely a bigger part is the mental healt treatment in North America, or more so the lack of it. Even in Canada if you come to a doctor and say you're suffering from severe mental ailments they'll just give you some pills and brush you off A few years ago one of my best friends had a severe mental breakdown and submitted himself to the hospital. Basically what they did was give him some NyQuil to knock him out and locked him in a room for a week. How the funk is that treating the problem? The issue on Americas gun control has been brought out so many times it's starting to lose it meaning while the issues with mental health treatment are completely ignored. It's pretty sickening. Certainly fair. The people who think this is something they should do certainly need some mental health treatment and treating that seriously is just as important as making it harder for them to get the things they'd need to carry this kind of thing out. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/index.html According to the graph in this article, this country has lost over 300,000 people due to firearms between 2004-2013. Now, I don't know if it includes accidents and suicides, but if true, that is a very disturbing number in which many of those could have been prevented. I'm not sayings gun should be outright banned, but, at least make them harder to get. Unfortunately, the sad truth is, gun control will not happen after this tragedy. Even more disturbing, it may never happen. Did it happen after Columbine? No. Virgina Tech? No. Aurora? No. Sandy Hook? No. We care more about owning guns than saving the lives of people. It's a very cynical viewpoint, I know. However, can you really look at it in a different way when so many of these tragedies have happened with no action taken? It likely is. As below post says, most victims of gun shoots are the same person with the gun. And yea, thats why I'm pretty pessimistic about this too. If something was going to be done it would have been a long time ago. Know the question is when will the public outcry against this cause politicians to actually do something. On the topic of gun suicides to put those statistics in a bit more detail; http://www.vox.com/2015/8/11/9126891/gun-suicide-rate That's 2/3's of deaths by guns in the US being suicides (For people who can't open it for whatever reason). This is actually something I did not know anything about before this. I think it's just another big reason as to why gun access needs to be restricted in your country more. Because, sure you can argue that better mental health care can solve it as well, but the sheer act of removing the guns will reduce the number of people who do this impulsively, hugely. The video even mentions alternatives to what you have that could help alleviate the issues but keep truth to the spirit of your Right to Bear arms. It's just so stupid that any modern advanced country can be in a state like this and nothing be attempted to prevent it. O yea. I'm pretty sure cracked mentioned that statistic a while back and I remember hearing that men are far more likely to die from suicide because they are more likely to use a gun. The reality is it isn't hard to go out, get a gun, and turn it around. Making mediatory wait times, doing backround checks for depression and various other things would all go a long way to helping this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 I guess this is basically my opinion. Also a good laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicmemesbro Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 http://www.rt.com/usa/317303-ucc-oregon-gunman-identified/ Apparently according to the investigation, the suspect was a supporter of the IRA which was a paramilitary organization that tried to make Ireland independent....This might explain his motives...... apparently he was from the UK... The news media is really feeding off of this story. *sigh* sensationalism is still commonplace. The media again, is sadly blowing things out of proportion once more by creating a major scare. Fear mongering is a popular method that news outlets use to move the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 The way Obama does press conferences now. That face. That face is the face of a man who has had to talk about too many mass shootings. It's somewhere between sheer tiredness and despair. Part of it is gun control, but most likely a bigger part is the mental healt treatment in North America, or more so the lack of it. Even in Canada if you come to a doctor and say you're suffering from severe mental ailments they'll just give you some pills and brush you off A few years ago one of my best friends had a severe mental breakdown and submitted himself to the hospital. Basically what they did was give him some NyQuil to knock him out and locked him in a room for a week. How the funk is that treating the problem? The issue on Americas gun control has been brought out so many times it's starting to lose it meaning while the issues with mental health treatment are completely ignored. It's pretty sickening. To be honest, that's because gun control is the larger factor. Even more importantly, it's obviously the more immediate factor. American mental healthcare is not so far behind other wealthy countries that it would solely cause such a disparity in mass homicide rates. Gun control keeps on being brought up, because it keeps on being ignored. I'm not convinced that issues with mental health treatment are being ignored. As the idea of affordable health care starts to infiltrate America, mental health is certainly under the many things it covers. Out of factors besides gun control, main one for me is clearly media coverage. I absolutely agree that things like mental healthcare are important though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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