Metalphosis Silvbird

[Spinny]

Psychic/Fire

1700/100

Pendulum 1/1

 

Pendulum Effect   Once per turn: You can target 1 other face-upcard you control; destroy it, and if you do, Set 1 "Metalphosis"Spell/Trap Card directly from your Deck.

Monster Effect : Flavor Text

 

Haven't seen a topic for this yet, but i feel like we need one because this is a pretty solid card for them. Ive been testing the current 4 metalphosis monsters with ariadne and Dracoslayers and it works pretty nicely, it's not top tier yet but it's definitely getting stronger.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Are there any EARTH level 3 pendulums worth running in here? Meliae for GUB into metaphys horus seems sick.

[Spinny]

Are there any EARTH level 3 pendulums worth running in here? Meliae for GUB into metaphys horus seems sick.

Play Performapals for that, theyve got the best EARTH 3 pend atm, Lizardraw.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Well, yeah ofc, but there is like no synergy there at all.

[Spinny]

Well, yeah ofc, but there is like no synergy there at all.

True, but other than that i really dont think there is, plus Horus is a 6 and we dont have the phosis 5 yet.

[The Highlander]

Are there any EARTH level 3 pendulums worth running in here? Meliae for GUB into metaphys horus seems sick.

You could play psychic jumper and turn it into horus by using it and gold (funnily the only real reason the deck would want e-tele), however this card adds more consistency and the fact the deck should main 3 mind over matter, solemn strike and Champion's Vigilance (volflame and cardinal) and can abuse ariadne is already sick.

[Azuh]

Those Hunter Dragon stats!!

[Toffee.]

Oh hey, they took to the skies now.

[Pchi]

And for those who care, it's also a FF Spirit target. Hooray?

[The Highlander]

And for those who care, it's also a FF Spirit target. Hooray?

Well you would have to go for a rank 3 or fuse from the hand ... both are less than ideal scenarios ... if you ignore painful decision shenaningans, though that still seems quite inconsistent.

[Blake]

Well you would have to go for a rank 3 or fuse from the hand ... both are less than ideal scenarios ... if you ignore painful decision shenaningans, though that still seems quite inconsistent.

I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but Break Sword is a funking awesome card, and it's basicall a +1 in Pendulum decks. Depending on what you can do with the deck, it's not that bad.

 

Spirit does seem like overkill, but it's definitely something to remember, as it's a build space.

[Spinny]

I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but Break Sword is a funking awesome card, and it's basicall a +1 in Pendulum decks. Depending on what you can do with the deck, it's not that bad.

 

Spirit does seem like overkill, but it's definitely something to remember, as it's a build space.

Myabe it's not overkill, between painful decision, leopard and tenki shenanigans it could be fun, im testing rn.

Horse prince summons another Silvbird aswell, can also make horus.

[The Highlander]

I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but Break Sword is a f***ing awesome card, and it's basicall a +1 in Pendulum decks. Depending on what you can do with the deck, it's not that bad.

 

Spirit does seem like overkill, but it's definitely something to remember, as it's a build space.

Well it DOES combo with Painful Decision, however the only other real option would be if you would fuse from your hand (for whatever reason) or xyz summon with it and both of these plays are suboptimal for Metalphosis monsters, so you would rely on getting decision, even though that combo would be generating a lot of advantage.

And while Break sword is alright for Pendulum decks this one would definitely rather have 2 level 3 monsters than one shot with an xyz monster, however vulcan and horse prince (prince grabing the second or third copy) can be extremely useful to the deck.

[Blake]

There isn't really enough to test Metalphosis yet, though.

 

Like, there's a clear focus on S/T, yet we know only 1, not to mention only 4 monsters. This isn't like Igknight, where we got all the monsters + 1 boss (who sucked but shh)

There isn't really enough to test Metalphosis yet, though.

 

Like, there's a clear focus on S/T, yet we know only 1, not to mention only 4 monsters. This isn't like Igknight, where we got all the monsters + 1 boss (who sucked but shh)

[The Highlander]

There isn't really enough to test Metalphosis yet, though.

 

Like, there's a clear focus on S/T, yet we know only 1, not to mention only 4 monsters. This isn't like Igknight, where we got all the monsters + 1 boss (who sucked but shh)

There isn't really enough to test Metalphosis yet, though.

 

Like, there's a clear focus on S/T, yet we know only 1, not to mention only 4 monsters. This isn't like Igknight, where we got all the monsters + 1 boss (who sucked but shh)

Indeed, there is a clear focus on the spells and traps, if they get a tenki or rota like card they would be getting really, really good.

Igknights did get 2 bosses, 1 is terrible and the other one is saved by the fact igknights can grab from the grave and he is a trade-in target.

I did test them already, of course the consistency is still a problem (with that few main deck archtype monsters), but not as much as one might assume, also ariadne is extremely powerful (as one would expect) and champion's vigilance is hardly ever dead.

[Blake]

Well it DOES combo with Painful Decision, however the only other real option would be if you would fuse from your hand (for whatever reason) or xyz summon with it and both of these plays are suboptimal for Metalphosis monsters, so you would rely on getting decision, even though that combo would be generating a lot of advantage.

And while Break sword is alright for Pendulum decks this one would definitely rather have 2 level 3 monsters than one shot with an xyz monster, however vulcan and horse prince (prince grabing the second or third copy) can be extremely useful to the deck.

You're commenting on suboptimal before we know everything, so that doesn't hold, in the least. They may have some form of grave recursion to encourag fusing whenever, and that isn't unrealistic.

 

Vulcan kinda sucks, idk why you'd use that over Break Sword when the latter is more generic and better for the deck. Horse Prince is fair enough, but it's really wrong to say that the deck won't want Xyz when nearly every deck wants Xyz, including Pendulum decks. You don't go into them 24/7, but Xyz ill defintely be run, even in Qli.

[The Highlander]

You're commenting on suboptimal before we know everything, so that doesn't hold, in the least. They may have some form of grave recursion to encourag fusing whenever, and that isn't unrealistic.

 

Vulcan kinda sucks, idk why you'd use that over Break Sword when the latter is more generic and better for the deck. Horse Prince is fair enough, but it's really wrong to say that the deck won't want Xyz when nearly every deck wants Xyz, including Pendulum decks. You don't go into them 24/7, but Xyz ill defintely be run, even in Qli.

Qli cannot really use another kind of summon, also this deck does not exactly generate advantage by getting more monsters and if you go for xyzs you lose the pendulum xyz material, not to mention vulcan can allow you to take a pendulum back, also spirit only has 3 level 6 options and vulcan is one of the better ones. Of course everyone uses xyzs, but those are not necessarily your main plays.

[Blake]

Qli cannot really use another kind of summon, also this deck does not exactly generate advantage by getting more monsters and if you go for xyzs you lose the pendulum xyz material, not to mention vulcan can allow you to take a pendulum back, also spirit only has 3 level 6 options and vulcan is one of the better ones. Of course everyone uses xyzs, but those are not necessarily your main plays.

Qli also cannot reliably Xyz, given your scales restrict you. Your point?

 

This deck doesn't have all its support yet. Again, stop using theory about something that's 50~% revealed or so in place of hard proof.

 

No duh you lose the Xyz Materials (ignoring spirit), but bouncing cards isn't good anymore, much less on Spell Speed 1 that requires a summon.

 

I never said it would be your main play, that's you putting words in my mouth to prove your argument. It's a viable play, for sure, though, especially if you can immediately recur and then synchro with what you detach, neverminding that Break Sword is good in its own right.

[The Highlander]

Qli also cannot reliably Xyz, given your scales restrict you. Your point?

 

This deck doesn't have all its support yet. Again, stop using theory about something that's 50~% revealed or so in place of hard proof.

 

No duh you lose the Xyz Materials (ignoring spirit), but bouncing cards isn't good anymore, much less on Spell Speed 1 that requires a summon.

 

I never said it would be your main play, that's you putting words in my mouth to prove your argument. It's a viable play, for sure, though, especially if you can immediately recur and then synchro with what you detach, neverminding that Break Sword is good in its own right.

Qli cannot use other summon techniques, also there is no point not to add xyzs for the cahnce you lose both scales, it is hardly because xyzs are great for them, it is because one would be stuppid to ignore free options, no matter how worthwile they would actually be.

I am talking about how the archtype is with its CURRENT support, according to what you said you would be allowed to talk about an archtype until 2 boosters after the last support he gets, after all he could still get support and then you would not take that into consideration ... that point is invalid, theory about a current state are in no way invalid and there is no reason to forcefully try to stay away from them.

Yes you lose the monster revived by spirit, spirit does not matter and the important part is that you can take your pendulums back to use them as scales and/or their pendulum effects.

I never said you said it is the main play, I said the fact everyone uses xyzs hardly proves xyz plays are always worthwhile, you should rather distance yourself from try to put words into my mouth.

Break Sword is good, but most of the time I would rather keep 2 level 3 monsters than getting 1 mere desrtuction, especially if the advantage my archtype generates would consist of mostly spells and traps, also your suggestion to do it, just because you can get it back is a meh argument, considering spirit can be used in far more effective ways and that you can do much more with other plays and the same investment.

[Blake]

Qli cannot use other summon techniques, also there is no point not to add xyzs for the cahnce you lose both scales, it is hardly because xyzs are great for them, it is because one would be stuppid to ignore free options, no matter how worthwile they would actually be.

The point remains that it's a deck that cannot reliably Xyz summon, arguably less than this one will be able to, yet they ran them for utility. It's not like you're going to run 15 themed Fusions, because you won't get that many, so your point falls flat.

 

I am talking about how the archtype is with its CURRENT support, according to what you said you would be allowed to talk about an archtype until 2 boosters after the last support he gets, after all he could still get support and then you would not take that into consideration ... that point is invalid, theory about a current state are in no way invalid and there is no reason to forcefully try to stay away from them.

You're using hyperbole to try and bolster your point. I established earlier that this is different from Igknights, who had all of their most important cards revealed off the bat. This archetype isn't truly functionable as of now, yet you're makign statements about how it plays. There is a big difference between "you can't determine playstyle with 5 maindeck cards" and "WAIT UNTIL IT'S ALL REVEALED", so try harder with your diversion tactics.

 

Yes you lose the monster revived by spirit, spirit does not matter and the important part is that you can take your pendulums back to use them as scales and/or their pendulum effects.

No? I don't think you understand how advantage works from this. Getting a dead Pendulum from the bin to Synchro with is good advantage, but you are not losing advantage to then Xyz with something summoned from the grave. It would have been in the grave, anyway. Honestly, this entire line makes zero sense, I'd need you to restate it in better language to understand it.

 

 

I never said you said it is the main play, I said the fact everyone uses xyzs hardly proves xyz plays are always worthwhile, you should rather distance yourself from try to put words into my mouth.

You brought up main play and tried to use them as an argument. Not me. I don't see how you can say I'm putting words you used in your mouth.

 

Break Sword is good, but most of the time I would rather keep 2 level 3 monsters than getting 1 mere desrtuction, especially if the advantage my archtype generates would consist of mostly spells and traps, also your suggestion to do it, just because you can get it back is a meh argument, considering spirit can be used in far more effective ways and that you can do much more with other plays and the same investment.

So wait, you say you're not the one bringing up main plays, but now you're trying to use the utility argument to establish that Break Sword isn't always, after trying to say that of course you run Break Sword as an option and obviously not a main play...? You just contradicted yourself. Hard.

 

And again, you're ignoring that we know /1/ S/T for a theme centered around them, thus not knowing anything the deck actually does beyond "hurr durr i have fusions". Those spells and traps,m as I pointed out, could very easily renew monster resources.

 

@Bold: Yes, hi, have you read Performapals Friendonkey and Pendulum Sorcerer? Because you do just that with them. You use Sorc as a material, then you sue Donkey to get it back for value. And don't say "But Sorc does somethign when SS'd", Spirit is a LEvel 3 Tuner. This means it then either goes into a 2-mat R3 or a Level 6 Synchro, which are both valuable.

 

So your point there doesn't work. How is it more valuable to wait to draw Painful Decision than it is to Xyz to make the Spirit in your hand live? How is that not value, ESPECIALLY if you Synchro Summon? Not to mention that, with Spirit, 3 Fire + 3 Fire = Lion Emperor, who can add something else from grave to hand, so there are options to make it gain value.

Spirit point it still hypothetical, mind.

 

Also, use the ENTER key. Your posts are a mess and annoying to reply to, much less read, and it's just poor etiquette.

[The Highlander]

The point remains that it's a deck that cannot reliably Xyz summon, arguably less than this one will be able to, yet they ran them for utility. It's not like you're going to run 15 themed Fusions, because you won't get that many, so your point falls flat.

Qlis have no reason to play something different so the comparison is terrible, as possible options (no matter how unlikely) are better than nothing.

 

 

You're using hyperbole to try and bolster your point. I established earlier that this is different from Igknights, who had all of their most important cards revealed off the bat. This archetype isn't truly functionable as of now, yet you're makign statements about how it plays. There is a big difference between "you can't determine playstyle with 5 maindeck cards" and "WAIT UNTIL IT'S ALL REVEALED", so try harder with your diversion tactics.

They are designed in an extremely obvious way, like igknights, so assumptions about how they are going to play according to the trend they follow are in no way invalid.

 

 

No? I don't think you understand how advantage works from this. Getting a dead Pendulum from the bin to Synchro with is good advantage, but you are not losing advantage to then Xyz with something summoned from the grave. It would have been in the grave, anyway. Honestly, this entire line makes zero sense, I'd need you to restate it in better language to understand it.

Yes you do not lose advantage, you just do not get as much out of it as you could and using them for synchros gets you an extra deck monster and adds a pendulum monster to your extra deck, so you can use them for further plays.

 

You brought up main play and tried to use them as an argument. Not me. I don't see how you can say I'm putting words you used in your mouth.

 

So wait, you say you're not the one bringing up main plays, but now you're trying to use the utility argument to establish that Break Sword isn't always, after trying to say that of course you run Break Sword as an option and obviously not a main play...? You just contradicted yourself. Hard.

You stated I would have said it would have been the main play of the deck, I was refering to the fact xyz monsters are always added because you can theoretically use them, so they are always added because of the utility they offer, even if you have better plays.

I said planning to use that spirit play to get a mere break sword rather than generating much more advantage is hardly worth it.

 

And again, you're ignoring that we know /1/ S/T for a theme centered around them, thus not knowing anything the deck actually does beyond "hurr durr i have fusions". Those spells and traps,m as I pointed out, could very easily renew monster resources.

They could, but currently they have not been revealed, so I am stating how the archtype with its current cards would play and how they seem to develop the archtype.

Again I am not stating it will stay that way, just that with the current cards revealed for them that would be a suboptimal play.

 

@Bold: Yes, hi, have you read Performapals Friendonkey and Pendulum Sorcerer? Because you do just that with them. You use Sorc as a material, then you sue Donkey to get it back for value. And don't say "But Sorc does somethign when SS'd", Spirit is a LEvel 3 Tuner. This means it then either goes into a 2-mat R3 or a Level 6 Synchro, which are both valuable.

Sorcerer is far better xyz material, considering you do generate monster advantage with it and you do not suffer because you lose other cards to that summon as you can keep your monster count high enough that you do not need to care.

And I am saying this archtype would hardly benefit from throwing that monster away again, of course you can xyz with it and of course that can be a good play, but it would still be inferior to what you could have done instead.

Also you would first need to get something for lion emperor in the grave, so you would have to xyz summon before using it or get painful decision to reduce the efforts to set it up to 0.

[Blake]

Qlis have no reason to play something different so the comparison is terrible, as possible options (no matter how unlikely) are better than nothing.

I proved the deck had extra ED room, akin to Qli. You ignored it. Are you serious?

 

Furthermore, Qli sometiems ran Naturia Synchros, so your point isn't even solid. They COULD do something else, and they HAD a reason to play something else, so your entire point falls apart, and I used evidence instead of empty words like "terrible".

 

They are designed in an extremely obvious way, like igknights, so assumptions about how they are going to play according to the trend they follow are in no way invalid.

Except we know 7 cards. And their focus is on S/T, which we do not have. There is no way to tell how they're going to play when we know a single fusion spell and nothing else.

 

Yes you do not lose advantage, you just do not get as much out of it as you could and using them for synchros gets you an extra deck monster and adds a pendulum monster to your extra deck, so you can use them for further plays.

I never denied that. I even stated such, though you felt the need to reiterate that.

 

However, an Xyz that is hard removal/Lion Emperor has the potential to be more advantageous than something like Vulcan, and it's wrong to stick your head in the sand and insist Synchro or bust when options are important.

 

You stated I would have said it would have been the main play of the deck, I was refering to the fact xyz monsters are always added because you can theoretically use them, so they are always added because of the utility they offer, even if you have better plays.

That was hardly your point, as your point about this not being comparable to Qli/your last point show.

 

I said planning to use that spirit play to get a mere break sword rather than generating much more advantage is hardly worth it.

wait what

 

who on earth would plan to go into a card with asynergy with spirit

 

The point was that you could go 2x3 = Break Sword, detach, and then use spirit to get back what Break Sword detached. As the Friendonkey example should have illustrated. 

 

They could, but currently they have not been revealed, so I am stating how the archtype with its current cards would play and how they seem to develop the archtype.

 

Again I am not stating it will stay that way, just that with the current cards revealed for them that would be a suboptimal play.

You can't state how it currently plays because it currently does not work or have a playstyle.

 

Sorcerer is far better xyz material, considering you do generate monster advantage with it and you do not suffer because you lose other cards to that summon as you can keep your monster count high enough that you do not need to care.

 

And I am saying this archtype would hardly benefit from throwing that monster away again, of course you can xyz with it and of course that can be a good play, but it would still be inferior to what you could have done instead.

 

Also you would first need to get something for lion emperor in the grave, so you would have to xyz summon before using it or get painful decision to reduce the efforts to set it up to 0.

Sorcerer is far better as xyz material how? You didn't provide any proof of that, as it's still a +1 revive that then searches. Spirit is a theoretical +1 revival that... then gives you search/renewal. It's the same premise, just one is based on what you get from the ED. You can't say they're unlike one another without factoring in the versatility of matching level + Tuner.

 

Why would it be inferior? You are just spouting words, yet you refuse to supply evidence. Why is it inferior to make an advantage play isntead of letting a card be a -1 in hand? Making empty points proves nothing.

 

oh no, it's almost like it lets you get spirit/techs/etc. back, how could you ever figure out that a resource renewal card requires something being in the grave beforehand.

[The Highlander]

Sorcerer is far better as xyz material how? You didn't provide any proof of that, as it's still a +1 revive that then searches. Spirit is a theoretical +1 revival that... then gives you search/renewal. It's the same premise, just one is based on what you get from the ED. You can't say they're unlike one another without factoring in the versatility of matching level + Tuner.

 

Why would it be inferior? You are just spouting words, yet you refuse to supply evidence. Why is it inferior to make an advantage play isntead of letting a card be a -1 in hand? Making empty points proves nothing.

 

oh no, it's almost like it lets you get spirit/techs/etc. back, how could you ever figure out that a resource renewal card requires something being in the grave beforehand.

Of course it has to be in the grave, that is the problem, I stated you would either be forced to xyz for spirit to be alive or use decision.

But that is hardly the problem.

 

Sorcerer is superior in terms of being used as xyz material as he hands you the other materials, rather than demanding more and more just to keep going, sure you could use an eccentric archfiend as the other material, but in that case you rely on drawing that as well (and before you start again, no I am not stating you said anything related to eccentric).

 

If you use metalphosis monsters as xyz material you start running low on monsters, but I guess that does not count for you as the current trend does not matter to you as you cannot see a certain direction in their development and we could theoretically still get a spellbook of judgement like card for them (as unlikely as that is), so I will stop arguing over that.

 

It is inferior as with the current cardpool for metalphosis you would rather want to conserve monsters, than investing them into plays that remove them from your hands and you can still use this play to setup for later by summoning horse prince and get another metalphosis for synchro/fusion summons (in this case you get 2 more pendulums and 1 monster with 2.3k), if you summon break sword you get 1 destruction and a 2k body, considering they currently have no means to get masses of summon materials one would prefer to get these materials, rather than 1 targeting destruction, that is why it is inferior, as you give up on the possibility of getting more resources the current archtype does not tend to generate for one mere xyz play.

 

 

Furthermore, Qli sometiems ran Naturia Synchros, so your point isn't even solid. They COULD do something else, and they HAD a reason to play something else, so your entire point falls apart, and I used evidence instead of empty words like "terrible".

I must admit that I forgot the beast access they have, but that hardly proves the point wrong that they played them as they got an option without giving up on anything, as otherwise the space would just be empty and one would not even get that unlikely chance to xyz, they played xyzs as they can use them and did not have to pay anything for that, saying another option for that exists is hardly evidence.

[Slinky]

Hello, you must be new to both the Pendulum AND Fusion mechanics. Fusions can use materials from the hand. Pendulums used as fusion materials in the hand, go to the graveyard.

 

What Blacks point is, you're assuming things about how the archetype is going to play when the archetype isn't done yet. What's revealed /now/ is irrelevant, because the rest of the archetype is most likely going to be in the same pack, so there is no legitimate format that is going to allow these cards until the set fully is revealed and/or released irl.

[Blake]

Of course it has to be in the grave, that is the problem, I stated you would either be forced to xyz for spirit to be alive or use decision.

But that is hardly the problem.

This is neither a point nor a problem. It's a fact of playing decks.

 

Sorcerer is superior in terms of being used as xyz material as he hands you the other materials, rather than demanding more and more just to keep going, sure you could use an eccentric archfiend as the other material, but in that case you rely on drawing that as well (and before you start again, no I am not stating you said anything related to eccentric).

This... doesn't demand more and more. You put one of this guy into the grave, then any spirit you have is live. And you can, say, get Chicken or something else that gains advantage from it, which can pay for itself. A Spirit/Chicken engine can work, in theory.

 

"before you start again"

 

I've not used semantics once, only dismantled yours. Don't try to degrade me in an attempt to sell your point.

 

I never said you could consistently go into Break Sword or R3s, I only said that doing so to make a Spirit in hand live could be good for advantage, and you have not disproved that point.

 

If you use metalphosis monsters as xyz material you start running low on monsters, but I guess that does not count for you as the current trend does not matter to you as you cannot see a certain direction in their development and we could theoretically still get a spellbook of judgement like card for them (as unlikely as that is), so I will stop arguing over that.

That's a flawed argument. Yes, you will run low on them... If you do it 24/7. If you do it selectively to gain advantage, you don't. And who knows, they may get a double TWRA card or something to promote fusing from the hand. We've seen /1/ of the cards they center around, and it's a Fusion Spell, so we really don't know.

 

There is no certain direction, despite your passive-agressive statement of such. Qli and Igknight both had S/T that went an unexpected direction, despite the monsters we got. The former were good, the latter were not, but you at least had a workable core for both of them.

It is inferior as with the current cardpool for metalphosis you would rather want to conserve monsters, than investing them into plays that remove them from your hands and you can still use this play to setup for later by summoning horse prince and get another metalphosis for synchro/fusion summons (in this case you get 2 more pendulums and 1 monster with 2.3k), if you summon break sword you get 1 destruction and a 2k body, considering they currently have no means to get masses of summon materials one would prefer to get these materials, rather than 1 targeting destruction, that is why it is inferior, as you give up on the possibility of getting more resources the current archtype does not tend to generate for one mere xyz play.

Answered this above.