Raigeki

[Bellringer Angel]

Why do I feel that this card is going to do nothing if it somehow goes to 3?
Nevermind, this kinda sounds stupid.

Discuss about this (slightly) power-creeped card, I guess?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Have you not seek Raigeki go for game? It does "nothing" to the top decks, but it shits on the rest of us

 

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[IQuitDolphin]

Uh, Raigeki vs Pendulums after baiting Harbinger?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

It's not power-creeped. It's honestly too broken for OCG (the higher momentum format) and I'd say if not for Kozmo it'd be Broken in TCG too

[Snatch Steal]

Have you not seek Raigeki go for game? It does "nothing" to the top decks, but it shits on the rest of us

 

To 0

 

 

I'm with you. It's so useless against the top Decks, not even warranting its usage in main deck, but other Decks that have to put in work for their resources just go minus instantly.

 

I wonder if power cards have much of a place in the game most of the time. I'd prefer Duster to this, since at least that hurts demise decks.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

The issue is that even if they can bounce back from it quickly, there is little to no risk involved in running the card. There is no opportunity cost, no downside.

 

Except against Kozmo. It is legitimately bad there.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I'd prefer Duster to this, since at least that hurts demise decks.

I agree actually, and I'd argue that Duster is weaker than already legal cards

 

Duster is honestly inferior to Twin Twister in 90% of the cases. HFD has been legal in OCG for almost two years now, and seeing that the trap line up numbers only drastically dropped after Twi Twi's release makes one question the situation.

 

Duster, while a wipe, is a slow one. Being SS1 means it's weak against all the protection traps like Solemn Judgement or Starlight Road. Twin Twister being ss2 shits on chainability and reactivity cause you just snipe out cards as they're set.

 

Seeing that most decks cannot make their Ideal play w/o 3-4 cards, the number of backrow you're likely to see set is 2-3. So right around TwiTwi's hunting Zone.

 

Duster, as you noted, is best suited for S5P, like with Demise, but it's honestly showing age there as people are likely to throw in atleast one card like Starlight in those 5 sets

 

Duster would do next to nothing in the TCG metagame

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

I mean, in regards to the effect on backrow, twitwi stopped it because it tripled the amount of hfd in decks

[Snatch Steal]

I agree actually, and I'd argue that Duster is weaker than already legal cards

 

Duster is honestly inferior to Twin Twister in 90% of the cases. HFD has been legal in OCG for almost two years now, and seeing that the trap line up numbers only drastically dropped after Twi Twi's release makes one question the situation.

 

Duster, while a wipe, is a slow one. Being SS1 means it's weak against all the protection traps like Solemn Judgement or Starlight Road. Twin Twister being ss2 shits on chainability and reactivity cause you just snipe out cards as they're set.

 

Seeing that most decks cannot make their Ideal play w/o 3-4 cards, the number of backrow you're likely to see set is 2-3. So right around TwiTwi's hunting Zone.

 

Duster, as you noted, is best suited for S5P, like with Demise, but it's honestly showing age there as people are likely to throw in atleast one card like Starlight in those 5 sets

 

Duster would do next to nothing in the TCG metagame

 

At the very least, it would help against the aforementioned Demise decks, which are more prominent than Mermails, the only Deck even a little hindered by Raigeki (or not, with Mizuchi). Not to mention they're not fun to play against.

 

In TCG, no one uses Starlight Road, so that would probably be an important adaptation to make.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Twitwi makes THRIO better than starlight road, as does pendulum wizard, if he still matters

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Starlight, Dark Bribe, Magic Drain, THRIO, Solemn J

 

There's a couple of options

[Kaiji]

rofl sharpie feather duston comparison nice thread

 

To 3, it's literally sided for going second to break boards/bait out negation, the only difference that it's going to be played before Dark Hole.

[cr47t]

Ah, this card. I use it as a staple on DN usually but don't see it that often from opponents.

 

FIX THIS S*** (the banlist) ALREADY

[♪ ♪Aria ♪ ♪]

Raigeki, a wrath of god card, and it doesn't target......, the plus is that it destroys all monsters, both face-up and face down, can be used as a last resort.....

[ihop]

The issue is that even if they can bounce back from it quickly, there is little to no risk involved in running the card. There is no opportunity cost, no downside.

 

idk what the meta is like these days but this is an argument I always made about Raigeki.

 

It was unbanned at a time when we were coming off an age where the top decks all had a way of being immune to Raigeki. Dracossack just lost tokens instead of losing itself, Prophecy just played Spellbook of Wisdom, Evilswarm just played Pandemic. I think this made Raigeki less powerful in a lot of peoples' eyes and is the reason why it got unbanned without a huge fuss, but as soon as those sort of decks disappeared and decks whose monsters are destroyed by Raigeki came back it became insane. Even against decks where everything floats, like Burning Abyss, it still has a lot of value just because it makes it so much easier to push that turn and potentially kill off their chain of floaters more easily, while also being great at clearing stuff that didn't float. Against decks that didn't float, like Nekroz, Raigeki was downright insane because it basically negated an entire turn while allowing you to play stuff. I've supported Raigeki being banned since I came back to the game, and I suppose I still do even though idk what's up now. 

[Brinolovania]

I'd love to see Raigeki gone and Dark Hole back to 1, tbh. I'm not sure if the Hole re-limit is needed, but Raigeki is incredibly stupid. A whole lot of decks don't float, and those decks get utterly funked by your opponent drawing a limited spell and throwing it at you. 

 

...Also, I'm salty about my opponent always having this when I end my turn with Formula+another synchro+Junktion on board.

[Snatch Steal]

I'd love to see Raigeki gone and Dark Hole back to 1, tbh. I'm not sure if the Hole re-limit is needed, but Raigeki is incredibly stupid. A whole lot of decks don't float, and those decks get utterly funked by your opponent drawing a limited spell and throwing it at you. 

 

...Also, I'm salty about my opponent always having this when I end my turn with Formula+another synchro+Junktion on board.

 

Quasar negate?

 

Although, then again, they can always just bait it. That goes for Dark Hole too.

 

Funny how Quasar has even begun to pale in comparison to the meta, to be honest, although when we get Coral Dragon, I'll probably be building quasar turbo.

 

 

idk what the meta is like these days but this is an argument I always made about Raigeki.

 

It was unbanned at a time when we were coming off an age where the top decks all had a way of being immune to Raigeki. Dracossack just lost tokens instead of losing itself, Prophecy just played Spellbook of Wisdom, Evilswarm just played Pandemic. I think this made Raigeki less powerful in a lot of peoples' eyes and is the reason why it got unbanned without a huge fuss, but as soon as those sort of decks disappeared and decks whose monsters are destroyed by Raigeki came back it became insane. Even against decks where everything floats, like Burning Abyss, it still has a lot of value just because it makes it so much easier to push that turn and potentially kill off their chain of floaters more easily, while also being great at clearing stuff that didn't float. Against decks that didn't float, like Nekroz, Raigeki was downright insane because it basically negated an entire turn while allowing you to play stuff. I've supported Raigeki being banned since I came back to the game, and I suppose I still do even though idk what's up now. 

 

 

I think the meta has now evolved only into floaters, or things that easily rack up their resources again.

 

- BA can recover their resources all in one turn with the Cir/Dante loop

- Monarch can just summon their bosses back, or they'll just be downright protected

- Kozmo.....ugh. Don't get me started. They have all of the above things and effect dodging.

 

Meanwhile, literally everything else that doesn't float is utterly funked by it.

A real power card these days would be something that made your opponent shuffle a monster or two into their Deck. That would be fun.

[Maeriberii Haan]

Raigeki dweller is a still a thing guys although from the top decks atm few could actually use it

 

pretty much is still really damn strong as a card even today. Breaks most of ED monarch boards, clear way so you can go for the kill, etc etc

 

there's really no downside for the effect

 

on another note, don't people run the Kaiju spell more than Dark Hole now?

[Brinolovania]

Quasar negate?

 

Although, then again, they can always just bait it. That goes for Dark Hole too.

 

Funny how Quasar has even begun to pale in comparison to the meta, to be honest, although when we get Coral Dragon, I'll probably be building quasar turbo.

I mean, I sometimes just go for Formula+Stardust Charge to make Crystal Wing during my opponent's turn to activate Junktion, if I can't summon Quasar. Although it is also true that Quasar seems unfortunately easy to deal with nowadays.