http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Stratos

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

Good at one, bad at 3.

 

Also, Omega, is Phoenix your evil twin bro?

 

He isn't. He was just some guy who was playing around with the name change thing changing his name from Judgment Dragon to Judgment Phoenix.

[Bringerofcake]

I feel that Stratos isn't banworthy based on sheer advantage, but because of the ridiculous things you can do after you've searched. Coincidentally, what I'm talking about also happens to be my response to a member's response:

This at 0 would destroy whatever hope is left for e-hero and d-hero decks (including variants, uses of draw engines that were already massacred by the banlist, or zero). Still, its too good, so it probably should go to 0.

 

 

 

You were saying?

[Toffee.]

Put it @0 and put RoTA @3. Killing this for a splashable card to be brought back is worth it.

KONAMI!

PLEASE. DO. THIS.

 

RoTA@3 would make happy.

[Great Unclean One: VK]

KONAMI!

PLEASE. DO. THIS.

 

RoTA@3 would make happy.

 

Six Sam might come back?

[Expelsword]

Six Sam might come back?

 

RotA @3 and this @0 actually helps Heroes more than hurts them...

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

I feel that Stratos isn't banworthy based on sheer advantage, but because of the ridiculous things you can do after you've searched. Coincidentally, what I'm talking about also happens to be my response to a member's response:You were saying?

 

We won't get those for a while.

It's also a shame prisma will not work with them.

[Manjoume Thunder]

I feel that Stratos isn't banworthy based on sheer advantage, but because of the ridiculous things you can do after you've searched.

 

Same here. Of course it will be terrible broken @3 in a 3-0 list, but idc about them. :D

 

On a good fromat (aka this one pre-TSHD) it will not be that bad if Malicious does not exist. The only problem is that it will be splashed in a lot of decks.

[Catterjune]

Why the hell would it be at 0 while sabers, infernities, and frogs are out there slaying every single deck in the game ?

This post seems to imply that when making a banlist, only one card can go up at a time.

 

While anyone who isn't a dedicated fanboy or lumbering idiot can see Rescue Cat, Infernity Launcher, and something from Frogs deserves to be banned, this topic actually requires a bit of thought, and a bit of debating prowess to properly articulate why you feel the card belongs... wherever you believe it belongs.

[Thomas★Zero]

in a funny way at looking at this card this can lead to instant fusion use with poly due to its effect, This = a 2 card fusion summon, and I say 1 cuz its only a 1800 Beatstick with 300 and its second effect is useless most of the time.

[Dr. Cakey]

There are two approaches to assessing a card's deserved position on the banlist:

 

1. The intelligent way to do it is to base it solely on its own merits, without using arguments like "is less broken than Judgment Dragon." This generally involves its place in a mythical banlist that fell from the wound in Jesus' side during his crucifixion, and hidden by the Illuminati for two millennia, until George Washington found it and hid it in a secret room in the White House.

 

Application of Approach 1: Stratos @0. RotA @ 3.

 

2. The other way is to look at the current format and attempt to guess how shifting the card's position would affect the format. This is what most people do.

 

Application of Approach 2: Stratos @3. RotA @3.

 

Do people disagree?

[Professional Duelist]

Honestly, people saying it should go to 0 make me more angry than Konami.

 

Ask yourself these two questions.

 

Where the f*** is Destiny Draw in the Lists?

What the f*** has Stratos done this format?

 

You guys try to make the format more shitty than Konami already has.

 

Elemental Hero's will only be broken in city decks [tries to imply Miracle Fusion has to be ran in it].

[Catterjune]

2. The other way is to look at the current format and attempt to guess how shifting the card's position would affect the format.

As has been said before, moving in this way is a terrible disservice to yourself and the dueling community. Because you're basing your decisions on the previous format, rather then the format you will create, you end up always being one format behind when constructing banlists.

 

Honestly, people saying it should go to 0 make me more angry than Konami.

 

 

Ask yourself these two questions.

 

Where the f*** is Destiny Draw in the Lists?

What the f*** has Stratos done this format?

 

Irrelevant. As has been previously stated, a good banlist only concerns itself with the format it will create, not the current one.

[Flame Dragon]

This at 0 would destroy whatever hope is left for e-hero and d-hero decks (including variants, uses of draw engines that were already massacred by the banlist, or zero). Still, its too good, so it probably should go to 0.

Yes, because losing 1 searchers is going to hurt a deck when it has 2 other cards that search the same group of monster, meaning on a good list it's list of "cards that search Heros" goes from 7 to 6.

 

Why the hell would it be at 0 while sabers, infernities, and frogs are out there slaying every single deck in the game ?

 

There are lots of cards that should go to 0 because they are broken and game-killing, and stratos is not one of them.

 

@ 1 is perfectly fine

Because we're talking about a good list. We're talking about a list where all the broken cards are already at 0.

 

 

On topic, good arguments for ban are good. It is clearly a step up from all other searches we have.

 

Wow, I missed a lot of posts. Man I'm slow.

[El Majishan]

Its a big gadget...big whoop. Only reason it was limited was because it was able to search out other copies of itself. Putting him at one solves that issues....so whats the problem?

[Dr. Cakey]

As has been said before, moving in this way is a terrible disservice to yourself and the dueling community. Because you're basing your decisions on the previous format, rather then the format you will create, you end up always being one format behind when constructing banlists.

However, would Stratos @3 have affected the last format? Or the one before that? Or before that? (I'm not actually paying attention to what was run in these formats, so with my luck one of these would have Tier 0 Genex HeroSworn or something). Do you expect it to affect the next format? Of course not. Maybe it's because I wasn't there for the GX era, but I want Heroes to work.

 

All that aside, yes, that kind of logic is flawed. While more intelligent, it's more reasonable in some ways. Instead of doing the sane thing and sweeping unbalanced cards out of the game, it attempts to make everything equally unbalanced. Because when everyone's special, no one is.

 

Let me try to put it another way: the first approach looks at a card's position on a 'good' banlist, the second approach looks at where a card should be on the current banlist.

 

Put a third way, the second approach looks at things logically, then puts it through a Konami filter.

 

Put a fourth way, Crab Helmet is always right.

[Professional Duelist]

Irrelevant. As has been previously stated, a good banlist only concerns itself with the format it will create, not the current one.

This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard lol.

 

If that's the case we'll just make a format where a bad deck is worse. Okay than.

[Just Crouton]

We still have E-Call @3 and Rota @1...Heroes have 4 searchers already.

[Succubus Queen]

Why the hell would it be at 0 while sabers, infernities, and frogs are out there slaying every single deck in the game ?

 

There are lots of cards that should go to 0 because they are broken and game-killing, and stratos is not one of them.

 

@ 1 is perfectly fine

That doesn't make much sense, though.

 

Everything else being relatively more broken doesn't make this card any less broken.

 

Of course, I have no idea what those decks run on, but I think this would be true, right?

[Dr. Cakey]

That doesn't make much sense, though.

 

Everything else being relatively more broken doesn't make this card any less broken.

 

Of course, I have no idea what those decks run on, but I think this would be true, right?

The "theory" is that instead of making broken decks less broken, decks that aren't broken should be made broken. Even Stratos @ 3 wouldn't make E-Heroes "broken" by today's standards, but <3-0 "good" banlist etc. etc. etc.>

[Flame Dragon]

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This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard lol.

 

If that's the case we'll just make a format where a bad deck is worse. Okay than.

 

1) Heros aren't that bad a deck. Are they really good, no, but they are decent.

2) Your assuming lossing 1 searchers is going to hurt when in a good meta they'll still have 2 other cards to search, meaning they'll have 6.

3) Calling it a "bad deck" is in comparison to the other decks but your forgetting in a good format all the "good decks" will also take a hit meaning Heros could become a high tier deck.