Greiga Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 @byakk: I wasn't referring to just the bill, but okay. Now I know the actual status of it. And also, I didn't even say that. That's just everyone else overreacting. @above: But what I learned in school is that our government is supposed to be for the people. So now they're liars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 [quote name='GreigaBeastDS' timestamp='1321411677' post='5645430'] @above: But what I learned in school is that our government is supposed to be for the people. [/quote] Your teacher actually told you that? My teacher was die-hard communist for s***'s sake. She could've spotted this crap from a mile away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 [quote name='GreigaBeastDS' timestamp='1321411677' post='5645430'] @byakk: I wasn't referring to just the bill, but okay. Now I know the actual status of it. And also, I didn't even say that. That's just everyone else overreacting. @above: But what I learned in school is that our government is supposed to be for the people. So now they're liars? [/quote] please, didn't you learn anything from what the government did in the Vietnam War? They specifically made it sound like the war wasn't as bad as it was, but the media eventually figured this wasn't adding up and went to investigate it themselves. When they spoke the truth, Nixon tried to trace the leaks to force the media to remain obedient to the government and not to the people the public flipped, and since then there's always been suspicion that the government lies all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 They will never be able to pass this and if they do it will fail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 yeah I don't see how they could handle over 300 million rioting protestors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1321412045' post='5645442'] please, didn't you learn anything from what the government did in the Vietnam War? They specifically made it sound like the war wasn't as bad as it was, but the media eventually figured this wasn't adding up and went to investigate it themselves. When they spoke the truth, Nixon tried to trace the leaks to force the media to remain obedient to the government and not to the people the public flipped, and since then there's always been suspicion that the government lies all the time [/quote] We're not there yet. We did learn that the media does a great job of provoking the public though. Ever heard of the SS Maine I think it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 and like I said before, only 5% of the house is sponsoring it, and the hearing hasn't even happened yet. Don't think "oh no the government will pass this", because they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRenji Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Um, this is a joke right? Isn't this against the constitution? I say this is high treason, and treason must be dealt with. I say off with the government's head! D:< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 I doubt this will pass, but I don't really care. I have no particular attachment to my country (I'm American) so if s*** starts to hit the fan, I'm out of here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 [quote name='â—ŠRenjiâ—Š' timestamp='1321412276' post='5645459'] Um, this is a joke right? Isn't this against the constitution? I say this is high treason, and treason must be dealt with. I say off with the government's head! D:< [/quote] Can't do that, Renji. The government isn't a monarchy like Alice in Wonderland. You can't just go "Off with his head" and expect it to be carried out on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Well it's nice to know that I'm in the UK and hence, this will not affect me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1321411599' post='5645428'] not always, sometimes the government keeps the people in the dark so that when they do know, it'll be too late [/quote] Gulf of Tonkin incident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 [quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1321412354' post='5645465'] Gulf of Tonkin incident? [/quote] Along those lines. Look at it this way, the sci-fi channel films we see all the time of the government lying to the public wasn't COMPLETELY BSed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRenji Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 @ragnarok: If 300 Spartans can beat 300 million tiger riding Persians at the battle of Waterloo to free our great country from the Imperial Army, I'm sure we can defeat the government! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 in time, yes, Renji. That's what I still hope the occupy Wall Street actions would do because eventually the government is going to have to realize they're still only people, not gods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 [quote name='â—ŠRenjiâ—Š' timestamp='1321412748' post='5645480'] @ragnarok: If 300 Spartans can beat 300 million tiger riding Persians at the battle of Waterloo to free our great country from the Imperial Army, I'm sure we can defeat the government! [/quote] 300 Spartans can beat anything, your argument is invalid... I usually love these debates but to be honest I am sick of this topic... It wont happen to be onest and they are stupid for thinking it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 then what was the point of putting it up in the first place if it's never going to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 It ain't gonna happen. The House of Representatives is predominantly Republican and the Senate predominantly Democratic. There has to be a 2/3 majority vote in both houses and as you can see, only one of the two houses of Congress is predominantly Republican/Conservative, so the 2/3 in the House might happen, but not in the Senate. And even then, our president is Democratic and likely won't support it, possibly vetoing it. And even if he signs it, the Supreme Court will find it in violation of the First Amendment and therefore unconstitutional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Except that the country is apparently in clear and present danger with terrorism and whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 well if that's the case you think the government could simply say due to the state of emergency this constitutional/unconstitutional crap doesn't apply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 [quote name='✪✪✪~Star~✪✪✪' timestamp='1321409856' post='5645346'] [size=8]I'M DONE[/size] [size=8][size=3]If this comes in....I'm going to try and move to Canada.[/size][/size] [size=8][size=3]And it violates the freedom of speech too....[/size][/size] [/quote] You should see what they're trying to pass in Canada. :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 what are they trying to pass there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRenji Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 If this actually gets serious, this is what I shall do to go up against the government: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlUffbZZ9_I"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlUffbZZ9_I[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 that's the best you can think of? I don't think that'll sway them, Renji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Why are people acting like this is going to pass? Oh right, it would devastate the very foundations of your lives if it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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