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Considering there is no definite answer on the poll about Limiter and Power Bond, what if I simply limited Power Bond instead of banning it and remove its restrictions for Zane and Syrus? I'm not going to enforce a flat 18 for all characters like I had planned based on the polls, but instead just make characters that have really good cards but small pools have to have 18 as opposed to 16. Mai doesn't have very good cards, really, so she has 16 still, as an example. Finally, the only card I can think of that I would make non-character is Torrential Tribute. So, new polls!

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I'm thinking that it will be that except with exceptions with characters that have a lot of useful XYZs and such the extra deck limitation will be 4 Extra Deck cards. The others will either have 3 or 2 depending. With Gauche, I am going to bump the card limit down to 21, and if that is considered too good then they will be banned from the tournament. I've decided that forcing a person to use 24 cards is ridiculous and that if the character is that strong then they should not be playable.

 

Also, here's reasonings (I can remember) for each decision for the format, for anyone interested.

 

Cards currently  banned from use:

Black Luster Soldier – Envoy of the Beginning -- A few characters could use it, and it just trounces every deck boss.

"Dragon Ruler cards" -- Easily summonable beatsticks who can also be put together in a lot of character's decks to take over the theme.

Elemental HERO Absolute Zero -- Easy field clearing for 0 cost. Nothing else needs to be said.

Evolzar Laggia -- With Hassleberry and Rex there is a potential for basically making a Rabbit deck. May POSSIBLY reconsider it.

Exodia the Forbidden One -- Boring matches in an already fairly inconsistent format.

Number 11: Big Eye -- Having bosses you worked hard to summon stolen is not fun.

Chain Material -- FTK/OTK decks are a no.

Machina Fortress -- Much the same as for Dragon Rulers.

Power Bond (LIMITED) -- OTKs are a no, but testing it at 1.

 

Characters who are currently banned from use:

Anyone without at least a large enough card pool to feasibly use 21 of their cards in the main deck.

Jaden Yuki -- Just too many ways you could manipulate his card pool to make something semi-meta

Yusei Fudo -- This should be obvious.

Paradox -- Too easy to summon big, beefy monsters, and with a boss that is much more difficult to defeat in this format.

Crow Hogan -- Blackwings are a thing.

Kyosuke Kiryu -- Infernities are a thing.

Bruno -- T.Gs are a thing

Reggie MacKenzie -- Easily summoned boss monsters, small card pool, and potential for Agents, which are a thing.

Any other characters from ZeXal

 

The following characters are playable. They are linked with the cards you can use for them

Yugi Muto (Need 18 Character cards) -- Has some flecks of good cards throughout.

Seto Kaiba (Need 21 Character cards) -- Blue Eyes Structure Deck.

Maximillion Pegasus (May use 5 Extra Deck cards not theirs) -- He can make an okay deck in this sort of format, but most of his cards are bad.

Mai Valentine (May use one of each Harpie Lady #1, 2, 3 as Character cards.) -- Small card pool, but Harpies are a thing.

Chazz Princeton (Need 21 Character cards) -- Armed Dragons are fairly easy to spam, but can also clog.

Syrus Truesdale (Need 21 Character cards. Steam Gyroid counts as a Vehicroid) -- Inconsistent, and Connection Zone sucks, but has big potential if the cards fall in the right places.

Atticus Rhodes (Must play at least 1 Red Eyes B. Dragon. Can use Metalmorph as a character card) -- Red-Eyes cards aren't bad.

Jack Atlas (Need 21 Character cards. Stardust counts as a Character card. Only 3 Extra Deck cards not theirs) -- Especially with Jewel now, there is a lot of potential here.

Velian Crowler (Need 21 Character cards. Only need 1 trap) -- Can OTK, has some powerful bosses immune to many cards in this format, but can be hard to summon them.

Austin O'Brein (Volcanic Recharge is a character card. Only need 1 trap) -- His deck list is lacking, and most of the cards you would want to use aren't character cards.

Akiza Izinski (Need 21 Character cards. Only 3 Extra Deck cards not theirs) -- A powerful "boss" and a lot of abuse potential with some of her cards.

Tetsu Trudge (Gaia Knight the Force of Earth is a character card. Only need 1 trap) -- His card pool is very, very small, and he lost his main boss monster to the banlist.

Sayer (Psychic Lifetrancer is a Character card) -- Small card pool with a lot of stinkers, but a few gems. Small ED despite theme.

Carly Carmine -- Small card pool, and most of the cards don't work together the best without non-character cards.

Rua (Need 21 Character cards. Only 3 non-character cards) -- Recently got a new ED card with a lot of potential, and can OTK, though a number of cards aren't actually character cards.

Tron (Need 21 Character cards. Only 3 Extra Deck cards not theirs. Numbers Owned are Character cards) -- Easily spammable XYZs, but his own he can play aren't all that powerful against non-XYZs.

Shark (Need 18 Character cards. Only 3 Extra Deck cards not theirs) -- Lots of bad cards, but his extra deck is where the power comes from.

Jesse Anderson (Need 21 Character cards. Crystal Raigeki and Crystal Blessings count as character cards) -- Extremely small card pool, but Crystal Beasts are a... playable deck.

Tyranno Hassleberry -- He has some powerful boss monsters and could be rabbited, but has a lot of weak cards and inconsistency.

Zane (Need 21 Character cards) -- Plays a lot of stall-then-OTK, but when not OTKing is just an okay deck.

Gauche (Need 21 Character cards. Only 3 Extra Deck cards not theirs) -- Testing at this number. Has some decent ED monsters and lots of ways to summon them. May ban after the next tournament.

Aporia (Just Aporia's deck. Trap Stun is a character card. Need 21 Character cards) - Some decent cards, but a lack of utility cards and requires the right setup.

Dextra -- Easier to summon ED monsters now, and with new toys, but deck list is still very limited.

Aster Phoenix (Need 21 Character cards) -- Has a lot of potential with E-Heroes and his personal fusions.

Titan -- Has the potential to play Archfiend cards, though his deck is mostly bad.

Adrian Gecko -- Couldians can be very annoying to deal with, but he doesn't have a large card pool of his own.

 

Lower-Tier Characters

Joey Wheeler -- Has some cool cards, but most of it is outclassed or too luck-based.

Rex Raptor (Only need 1 Spell) -- Such a small card pool, and of such low power.

Weevil Underwood (Insect Princess is a character card) -- See above.

Tea Gardner -- See above.

Bakura -- Has a few good trinkets, but harder to pull off with restrictions.

Marik -- See above.

Professor Viper (Need 18 Character cards) -- Has the potential for OTK and a beefy boss in Vennominion, but most cards are bad.

Greiger (Need 18 Character cards) -- His boss monster is just so hard to summon, and his components so weak.

Bastion Misawa -- Extremely small card pool and lack of definitive strength.

Alexis Rhodes -- Has some okay tricks up her sleeve, but hard to play another decent.

Bandit Keith (Metalmorph and Gatling Dragon are character cards) -- Has a truck load of bad cards that are above level 4 and not much else.

Ishizu -- Has a few decent Fairy-based cards, but none that would be considered good by today's standard.

Ruka (Does not include Rua's deck, manga Ancient Fairy Dragon is character card) -- Pretty much above.

--Characters mentioned earlier in this page omitted--

Sartorius -- Some good bosses, but very hard to play them, and of course luck-based.

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I was going to try and test him out for a format, but nobody was interested in playing him, and I realized he has a lot of potential for failure.

I was planning on using him this tournament, but I realized that I needed far more time to build a stable, competitive deck using Sartorius than I had. I know how to use his cards, And I already have the deck built, but It's not the kind of deck you take into a tournament without extensive testing.

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Shark may be in line to get bumped up to 21 cards, by the way. With Amulet of the Water Deity and other of his cards coming out. I could help you test your deck I suppose, but considering the format is going to change by the time of the next tournament...

its still a good thing to see what cards work and don't work. I'm on DN whenever you are up for it.

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Yeah for Reggie Mackenzie why not just ban Krystia?

Also you could technically have Don Zaloog and Gravekeepers chief as characters

Also what happened to III and IV as options

Hmm... I might do that. It wasn't the only problem, but considering even that Krystia was a Normal Monster for her, it wouldn't actually make that much of a difference as far as from manga goes.

 

I don't really want to put Duel Monsters as characters. I prefer to use distinct ones, but I may consider it in the future.

 

As far as III goes, there are OTKs revolving around his cards, and now with even more rank 5 support from his cards to make stuff like Volca... no thanks.

 

IV, on the other hand, has weaker cards, and his cards also restrict him from playing certain cards. The main issue a while back was he just didn't have enough playable cards. I think I will make him playable with 3 non-character ED cards,

 

Looking at tron, Do the cards under Publications Numbers Guide 2 count as Character cards or no?

No, as I believe they were used as an example deck or something and weren't used in a manga, and even if they were, wouldn't be canon. Even if it were canon, I would disallow it or ban Tron.

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Hmm... I might do that. It wasn't the only problem, but considering even that Krystia was a Normal Monster for her, it wouldn't actually make that much of a difference as far as from manga goes.

 

I don't really want to put Duel Monsters as characters. I prefer to use distinct ones, but I may consider it in the future.

 

As far as III goes, there are OTKs revolving around his cards, and now with even more rank 5 support from his cards to make stuff like Volca... no thanks.

 

IV, on the other hand, has weaker cards, and his cards also restrict him from playing certain cards. The main issue a while back was he just didn't have enough playable cards. I think I will make him playable with 3 non-character ED cards,

 

No, as I believe they were used as an example deck or something and weren't used in a manga, and even if they were, wouldn't be canon. Even if it were canon, I would disallow it or ban Tron.

alright, just wanted that to be a clarification, anyways anyone mind helping me do some more deck testing [working on Gauche and tron]

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After some testing, I have come to the following verdict as far as Reggie goes: 1. Archlord Kristya will be banned. Since he was a Normal Monster in the manga, it has no real effect on the theme of her deck. 2. She is not allowed to play "Agents" with the exception of Hyperion, who is technically not an Agent anyways.

 

Under these conditions, I can allow for her to enter the tournament.

 

I've also confirmed that Titan is playable, and yes, I'm not going to yell at you for playing a ton of Archfiend cards.

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After some testing, I have come to the following verdict as far as Reggie goes: 1. Archlord Kristya will be banned. Since he was a Normal Monster in the manga, it has no real effect on the theme of her deck. 2. She is not allowed to play "Agents" with the exception of Hyperion, who is technically not an Agent anyways.

 

Under these conditions, I can allow for her to enter the tournament.

 

I've also confirmed that Titan is playable, and yes, I'm not going to yell at you for playing a ton of Archfiend cards.

 can also confirm chazz is playable as well XD. 

 

 

Anyone want to help me test out a few different character decks?

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By the way, the following changes might be made during the format change after the characters have had time to test:

Seto Kaiba (More restricted)

Pegasus (Moved to lower tier)

Crowler (Less restricted)

Tron (More restricted or banned)

Shark (More restricted or banned)

Hassleberry (Moved to lower tier)

Gauche (Banned)

Aporia (More restricted or banned)

Dextra (More restricted or banned)

Aster Phoenix (More restricted or banned)

Quattro (Banned)

Reggie MacKenzie (Banned)

Mai (More restricted)

 

Some cards may end up being banned as well, depending on how the format plays out.

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By the way, the following changes might be made during the format change after the characters have had time to test:

Seto Kaiba (More restricted)

Pegasus (Moved to lower tier)

Crowler (Less restricted)

Tron (More restricted or banned)

Shark (More restricted or banned)

Hassleberry (Moved to lower tier)

Gauche (Banned)

Aporia (More restricted or banned)

Dextra (More restricted or banned)

Aster Phoenix (More restricted or banned)

Quattro (Banned)

Reggie MacKenzie (Banned)

 

Some cards may end up being banned as well, depending on how the format plays out.

If you need to test IV, I threw together a character deck for him that I need to test out anyways.

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