Slinky Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Should Stratos stay banned? When this card is Normal or Special Summoned: You can activate 1 of these effects.● You can destroy Spell/Trap Cards on the field, up to the number of "HERO" monsters you control, except this card.● Add 1 "HERO" monster from your Deck to your hand. Stratos, the card that makes Ehero decks stupidly consistent. Not only is he a searcher, but he also has multiple cards to search him (E-Call, Hero Lives, ROTA) 2 of which are at 3. He is the sole reason why Hero Lives and E-Call were ever on the banlist. In the OCG, he is the reason Bubbleman is at 1. He has the option of searching or nuking your opponents backrow, and it works on Both normal and special summons. He's wind, meaning Chidori options and a warrior, allowing Excalibur or that Ninja guy He is constantly recyclable through the effects of Shining, Ocean, Warrior Returning Alive, and Fifth Hope Low defense, but he has an 1800 body. Do you guys feel this card is fair or not? And why? I've literally been arguing with my friend for 2 hours over this, and he's just not seeing how broken this card is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 You have given your reasons, and it's enoug for me to say that this card should stay banned forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Making him "Normal Summoned" only. Making him "Special Summoned" only and OPT. Making him just a beater with that Type/Attribute/ATK/Level only. Those are all enough to make it a very solid card in it's own right by just picking one of the above to give it to him. That third option could even be broken down a bit more and it'd still be a good card. It just has too many good traits going for it, and I haven't even mentioned how: It can search copies of itself. It works with the biggest archetype in the game, one that has the potential to turn any opponent's monster into a Fusion Material at any given time. Many of these traits have been acquired by later releases like Xyzs, but that doesn't change the fact this card has been abusable from the very beginning. Yes it should stay banned, and for the sake of HEROes, they could make his replacements into like 3 or 4 different solid enough cards, although HEROes don't really need much more. They aren't exactly competitive but they are also not really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 I'd like it to return to 1. I just like the way it works in the decks he is used, and I do feel that those decks need him to be playable (while not meta-relevant) once again. Sure, he probably isn't one of the most well designed searchers (actually, he might be the worst one...), and the stupid ammount of support that it has doesn't help either. But in a global perspective, I think that the game would be able to handle 1 Stratos. Although I would definitely settle with a nerfed version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 stratos is too good at his job, and that's the biggest issue. honestly though. if you un-archtyped him, and let him be as is, he would actually then be fair. cuts the searching down by like what, half, if not more, he can't be searched for e-hero recovery effects or used for a super poly play other than as a wind type, he can still be used for warrior XYZ, but that's the deck, warriors, it shouldn't be changed just to stop that, since that's not archtype issues. maybe that and reduction to 1600 ATK. but nothing else except making him not an E-hero is really needed to balance him out. kind of like test tiger for glad beasts. GREAT card for the set, but can't be grabbed by any of their recursion effects, balancing him out, if only just barely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Banneeeeeeeeed foreeeeeeeever please Well too many cards it can search AND well too many cards that can search it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Each set allows us to gain 10 cards for World Exclusives. Since Stratos was banned for TCG land, it should be Konamis will to try to keep the deck alive, and by doing so, is a replacement. C'mon Konami, Elemental Hero Tropos please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Stratos, the card that makes Ehero decks stupidly consistent. Not only is he a searcher, but he also has multiple cards to search him (E-Call, Hero Lives, ROTA) 2 of which are at 3. He is the sole reason why Hero Lives and E-Call were ever on the banlist. In the OCG, he is the reason Bubbleman is at 1. He has the option of searching or nuking your opponents backrow, and it works on Both normal and special summons. He's wind, meaning Chidori options and a warrior, allowing Excalibur or that Ninja guy He is constantly recyclable through the effects of Shining, Ocean, Warrior Returning Alive, and Fifth Hope Low defense, but he has an 1800 body. * Stratos is meant to be a key card within the deck for support and still has those counter risk's like Veiler, Bottomless and Warning. * Understandably A HERO Lives was the reason this card was banned as it basically searched and summoned it to set off its effect then used to instantly Xyz summon something like Excalibur and Ninja, where if A HERO Lives was banned and this was back to 1 that would be alright. * Bubble beat was a thing with Special Summoning since it was a effective part of the archetype so I can see why they want to hit it to 1 but I feel that hit on the OCG list a bit odd. * Searching can be limited as it depends on what deck your using and what targets you have since it requires you to use up your normal summon to do this mainly (since monster reborn is banned as well). Back row nuke also is limited to the number of other HERO monsters you have on the field being around 1 or 2 most of the time. *I can see for warriors but saying Lighting Chidori as a reason is just stupid as it needs 2 Wind monsters and Stratos (if brought back) is limited to 1 and Avian is level 3 but who would use avian anyway. *Its recyclability really depends on how you use it as its understandable using the Shining at the risk of said Shining either being banished or misses timing, Ocean depends on how you play it via Pin Point Guard or Safe Zone. Warrior returning Alive depends on hand for how you play it and Fifth hope isn't as wide use as the banned pot of Avarice. I know Call of the Haunted is a thing though you need to time your use to the end of the turn with risk of your opponent destroying it first. *I know its a 1800 ATK beater with lowly 300 DEF but I don't see that mostly being an issue with the card at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 * Stratos is meant to be a key card within the deck for support and still has those counter risk's like Veiler, Bottomless and Warning. a card being able to be countered is not a good reason for banlist positioning. it may be okay for meta useability, but banlists have to take everything on the basis that they aren't being directly countered when played. otherwise we should just unban solemn judgment to 3 and release about 90% of the cards in the banned section back to play. just because there are cards that can stop a card before it has a chance to do what it wants to do, doesn't mean that it's not too powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 a card being able to be countered is not a good reason for banlist positioning. it may be okay for meta useability, but banlists have to take everything on the basis that they aren't being directly countered when played. otherwise we should just unban solemn judgment to 3 and release about 90% of the cards in the banned section back to play. just because there are cards that can stop a card before it has a chance to do what it wants to do, doesn't mean that it's not too powerful. I know that but that still can be said about every card about counters but am referring to this being one of those cards that the opponent would want to drive focus to counter around in order to prevent its effect from going off... I know a person could say unban all because they all can be countered excuse for against it and I have taken everything else into consideration as said in the above list. I understand why it would be bad at 2 for the self searching ability which I can agree with, but its alright at 1 when you consider hitting A HERO lives for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 A Hero Lives should have gone before this, tbqh. We never had problems with Stratos before A Hero Lives was a thing, so that says a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 A Hero Lives should have gone before this, tbqh. We never had problems with Stratos before A Hero Lives was a thing, so that says a lot. wait wut.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 A Hero Lives should have gone before this, tbqh. We never had problems with Stratos before A Hero Lives was a thing, so that says a lot. Yeah, how could 3 D-Draw, 3 Malicious, 1 Stratos 1 Rota ever be a bad idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I'm biased maybe but he should be unbanned so Volcanic HEROes can win Worlds as they were always meant to do. I'm not sure where I stand on this card really. Yeah sure it might be slightly broken, but it also makes HEROes worth playing. I'd unban it for a format and see what's up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 The deck feels like a piece of crap without him. Make a nerfed version. Or do what I do now and play E and R *shot* E is played anyway but..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 well, a card as simple as summoning it that can net +1-4 advantage isn't exactly fair. o.o And adding how it has 4 cards to search itself, excluding dian, (because masked heroes are kinda irrelevant) like most have said it deserve to stay banned, or ban quite a few other cards. rip stratos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 well, a card as simple as summoning it that can net +1-4 advantage isn't exactly fair. o.o And adding how it has 4 cards to search itself, excluding dian, (because masked heroes are kinda irrelevant) like most have said it deserve to stay banned, or ban quite a few other cards. rip stratos Duude, have you tried an ACID trip dood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 I'm the only idiot that voted 'Indifferent' because I never really had a personal problem against Stratos. I do see Stratos's design errors and do agree that it is bad, but meh. I just never had many problems against Stratos to warrant my own bias against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Duude, have you tried an ACID trip dood? EDIT: Masked hero acid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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