·Toot Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Should totally come back to one. PoA is out of the picture. It shouldn't be AS bad as it was. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Wow this card has a second effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 I used it once, but only for ZeXal OTK. Funny enough, in the video I posted with said OTK, I said "Limit Magician", and that happened too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daigusto Sphreez Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 In the middle of making a Wind-Up deck at the moment actually (probably not the best idea, but they're a bit cheaper now for the most part). I'm sure they'll get unnerfed in someway in the near future, as I expect Inzektors to also. Although that may just be wishful thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 In the middle of making a Wind-Up deck at the moment actually (probably not the best idea, but they're a bit cheaper now for the most part). I'm sure they'll get unnerfed in someway in the near future, as I expect Inzektors to also. Although that may just be wishful thinking. Please no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daigusto Sphreez Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Please no. Wind-ups was my wishful thinking (so long as they aren't completely unnerfed ofc) I'd much rather Inzektors stay nerfed. I just anticipate that they both will be unnerfed sometime in the future, since they are both the same era of deck I figure it might happen together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Wind-ups was my wishful thinking (so long as they aren't completely unnerfed ofc) I'd much rather Inzektors stay nerfed. I just anticipate that they both will be unnerfed sometime in the future, since they are both the same era of deck I figure it might happen together. I hope you are wrong on the Inzektor un-nerfing prediction. *crosses fingers* No matter how much I try to visualize the game's power level evolving, Inzektors are a theme that says any one Normal Summon can become a field nuke + swarm tool + search tool in one, and I feel like no amount of Effect Veilers/ Breakthrough Skills/ Fiendish Chains/ Divine Wrath cards would make up for them. In fact, the idea of future decks depending on that kind of standard negation in order to keep playing, sounds kinda awful IMO. Hmm.... weird how it was 2 years ago that Inzektors were all tops at Worlds... time sure flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 I blame Hunter for starting the game-crippling "you lose half your opening hand" loop with this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 I..., I kinda want this back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suibon Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Bring this back. Ban Rat. (And Hunter.) *flies away* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Both Inzektors and Wind-Ups were examples of design failing. They didn't end up functioning the way they were supposed to. Wind-Ups had "once while this card is on the field" effects, but the effects were good enough that they could skirt around this, and in some occasions break it. This is how I've always looked at it, anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Six Samurai Carrier Zenmaity E-HERO Carrier Zenmaity every Deck needs a Carrier Zenmaity Wind-Ups had "once while this card is on the field" effects, but the effects were good enough that they could skirt around this, and in some occasions break it. Zenmaity is a OPT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Zenmaity is a OPT. Yeah, but Wind-Ups in the deck were all once while on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Zenmaity's better than ever now than Angineer is a card, leaving only Corn as a solid out to it once it hits the field in most scenarios, so idk why you'd want it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 This card needs to burn in hell :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Hate seeing people argue for why they want this card back or why they think Wind-Ups should be competitively viable again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Hate seeing people argue for why they want this card back or why they think Wind-Ups should be competitively viable again.It's funny... People only played Wind-Ups because it had a broken loop with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 This should never, ever come back. That said, I wouldn't mind if it did since I'm sitting on 36 ulti 1sts... Also Dragonfly to 2 pls. Said no one ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daigusto Sphreez Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 As a general rule of thumb, any Xyz/Synchro that summons even more monsters is usually too abusable (que Karakuri Synchros). But at 1, this card can't loop and so gives the deck simply an edge rather than an impassible obstacle. As far as arguing for wind-ups being competitive again...well that argument can be applied to any deck that has been nerfed a lot. Just because a deck has already has its successes, I see no reason why it must be left forgotten and unusable for the rest of time. Not saying Wind-Ups are unusable at the moment, but just a general observation. I do believe that Zenmaity shouldn't have had such generic requirements for its summon though, just asking for abuse really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 In the middle of making a Wind-Up deck at the moment actually (probably not the best idea, but they're a bit cheaper now for the most part). I'm sure they'll get unnerfed in someway in the near future, as I expect Inzektors to also. Although that may just be wishful thinking. Inzektors already came back This should never, ever come back. That said, I wouldn't mind if it did since I'm sitting on 36 ulti 1sts... Also Dragonfly to 2 pls. Said no one ever. Actually.....Dragonfly should come to 2. Ban Hornet if they must but the deck really sucks with Dragonfly at 1. While the deck kinda sucks with Zenmaity banned the card had an awful design and doesn't need to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Inzektors already came back Actually.....Dragonfly should come to 2. Ban Hornet if they must but the deck really sucks with Dragonfly at 1. While the deck kinda sucks with Zenmaity banned the card had an awful design and doesn't need to come back.Yes, let's bring an even betr version of Wind-Up Magician back up.Both Hornet and Dragonfly should never move up, only down if they move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Inzektors already came back Actually.....Dragonfly should come to 2. Ban Hornet if they must but the deck really sucks with Dragonfly at 1. While the deck kinda sucks with Zenmaity banned the card had an awful design and doesn't need to come back. Konami is such a cocktease, when they spoiled Inzektron I actually thought they were giving us something but no, just trollin again. Deck sucks without the Hornet plays. I wish Dragonfly would go to 2 but the deck is still consistently topping even tier 2 events so there's little hope for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 The deck does just fine without Hornet. Just because they don't blow crap up and then Xyz doesn't mean that the Xyz are worthless without Hornet. It sucks with Dragonfly at 1. Not justifying really to put Dragonfly at 2, but still. Its either too good or too bad which is a bad game design. It's only topping now in these weird stall variants, unless I am mistaken. It's such a crappy gimmick it's not even funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 The deck does just fine without Hornet. Just because they don't blow crap up and then Xyz doesn't mean that the Xyz are worthless without Hornet. It sucks with Dragonfly at 1. Not justifying really to put Dragonfly at 2, but still. Its either too good or too bad which is a bad game design. It's only topping now in these weird stall variants, unless I am mistaken. It's such a crappy gimmick it's not even funny. Turbo with 1sword is topping, not stall. Unless 1 Gachi in the Extra is considered stall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Turbo with 1sword is topping, not stall. Unless 1 Gachi in the Extra is considered stall. So the crappy variant with Cardcar @3 and Threatening Roar/Waboku isn't the "best"? I must see this build. Or make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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