Blake Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Tasogare no Ninja – Shingetsu / Shingetsu, the Twilight NinjaLevel 4 DARK Warrior-Type Effect MonsterATK 1500DEF 100You can only use the (2) effect of “Shingetsu, the Twilight Ninja” once per turn. (1) Your opponent cannot target other “Ninja” monsters you control for an attack or card effect. (2) If this card is destroyed by battle or card effect and sent to the Graveyard: You can add 1 “Ninja” monster from your Deck to your hand, except “Shingetsu, the Twilight Ninja”. Tasogare no Ninja Shougun – Getsuga / Getsuga, the Twilight Ninja ShogunLevel 8 DARK Warrior-Type Wffect MonsterATK 2000DEF 3000You can Tribute Summon this card by Tributing 1 “Ninja” monster. You can only use the effect of “Getsuga, the Twilight Ninja Shogun” once per turn.(1) If this card is in face-up Attack Position: You can target 2 “Ninja” monsters in your Graveyard, except “Getsuga, the Twilight Ninja Shogun”; change this card to Defense Position, and if you do, Special Summon those targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 I was like "ok... ok... ok... WAIT WHAT" Getsuga is freaking awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 summon getsuga tap summon 2 hanzo GG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 summon getsuga tap summon 2 hanzo GG.Upstart Golden Ninja->Hanzo->This->2 Hanzo->Search Twice->Three-mat r4 in a world with 6 COTH, this sounds easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 too long to set upur prob going need to run lots of call of the haunteds and oasis for the big guy to work effectively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 too long to set upur prob going need to run lots of call of the haunteds and oasis for the big guy to work effectivelyAnd both of those cards are great with ninjas, so I don't see the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 And both of those cards are great with ninjas, so I don't see the issue.bad turn 1 hands/plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Except... Upstart Golden Ninja is both searchable and can make use of traps in hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 the only way to search it is rota or ss hanzo even if you get upstart golen ninja turn 1 tou still need another trap and call/oasis and have this etcotherwise this is something you want to draw late game but it can still be easily deadnone of the ninjitsu trap thingies can even summon it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 The Level 8 revives 2 Ninjas; Coolness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Shingetsu is bad, Getsuga is way too slow to be even considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello my name is Enguin Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Shingetsu is bad, Getsuga is way too slow to be even considered. Stops targeting effects and attacks, so with 2 out the only way to remove Ninjas is full field bouncing or Raigeki/Dark Hole, and then searches any Ninja once it dies. It's not bad. Getsuga can instantly summon any Xyz of rank 1, 3, 4, 5 or 6 on the turn it is summoned. Not too slow to be even considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Stops targeting effects and attacks, so with 2 out the only way to remove Ninjas is full field bouncing or Raigeki/Dark Hole, and then searches any Ninja once it dies. It's not bad. Getsuga can instantly summon any Xyz of rank 1, 3, 4, 5 or 6 on the turn it is summoned. Not too slow to be even considered.Why would I play it onto the board over another Hanzo to search something or another Upstart to make another Xyz on the board? And most Ninja decks don't even have Ninjas on field for too long, they come Xyzs or huge Beasts/Dragons/whatever you get from Ninjitsu Art. And I hope you noticed that Getsuga is a level 8. If you wanna run CotH JUST for it, sure, be my guest, and enjoy dead draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello my name is Enguin Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Why would I play it onto the board over another Hanzo to search something or another Upstart to make another Xyz on the board? And most Ninja decks don't even have Ninjas on field for too long, they come Xyzs or huge Beasts/Dragons/whatever you get from Ninjitsu Art. And I hope you noticed that Getsuga is a level 8. If you wanna run CotH JUST for it, sure, be my guest, and enjoy dead draws. Upstart requires you having traps in the hand to use it and you don't really want your Ninjitsu Arts being dumped so CotH is not going to be dead, and anyway it's not like it's a bad card independent of summoning Getsuga. Reviving Hanzo gets a search, reviving Upstart opens up plays, and given how frequently your Ninjas will be in the grave after Ninjitsu plays, bringing them back to do more stuff or just put more power on the board is never bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Upstart requires you having traps in the hand to use it and you don't really want your Ninjitsu Arts being dumped so CotH is not going to be dead, and anyway it's not like it's a bad card independent of summoning Getsuga. Reviving Hanzo gets a search, reviving Upstart opens up plays, and given how frequently your Ninjas will be in the grave after Ninjitsu plays, bringing them back to do more stuff or just put more power on the board is never bad.But you gotta first actually have targets to revive, have it, and have a way of getting it onto the field. That's 3 variables, which is way too many for a card to be good. It will be dead too often. Meanwhile things like Upstart + trap are plays needing only 2 variables which is much more likely to be good. Maybe it could work as a 1-of. But just maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Faytl~ Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 There IS the fact this gives Ninjas a Trade-In target. Get a few other level 8s summonable off the Arts and this may actually work pretty nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of the Abyss Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Lemme get this straight. So with Getsuga you can go:1. Upstart, discard to summon Hanzo2. Hanzo searches Getsuga3. Overlay into Blade Armor Ninja4. Tribute it for Getsuga5. Getsuga eff to revive Upstart + Hanzo, Hanzo searches again (Preferably another Upstart)6. Overlay into any other R4 XyzNot bad, not bad at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello my name is Enguin Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 But you gotta first actually have targets to revive, have it, and have a way of getting it onto the field. That's 3 variables, which is way too many for a card to be good. It will be dead too often. Meanwhile things like Upstart + trap are plays needing only 2 variables which is much more likely to be good. Maybe it could work as a 1-of. But just maybe. Because it's so difficult to get things in the grave. Don't even know what you're talking about with the 3 variables, a way to get CotH on the field? You don't even need to Call Getsuga since you can summon it with one tribute. CotH a Hanzo, search Getsuga, tribute Hanzo to summon it and make any Xyz you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Lemme get this straight. So with Getsuga you can go:1. Upstart, discard to summon Hanzo2. Hanzo searches Getsuga3. Overlay into Blade Armor Ninja4. Tribute it for Getsuga5. Getsuga eff to revive Upstart + Hanzo, Hanzo searches again (Preferably another Upstart)6. Overlay into any other R4 XyzNot bad, not bad at allExcept you used up your Normal Summon on Upstart already, and Blade Armor NInja is one of the worse rank 4s, but oh well. Because it's so difficult to get things in the grave. Don't even know what you're talking about with the 3 variables, a way to get CotH on the field? You don't even need to Call Getsuga since you can summon it with one tribute. CotH a Hanzo, search Getsuga, tribute Hanzo to summon it and make any Xyz you want.1. Do I have Getsuga in hand?2. Do I have CotH in hand?3. Do I have 2 targets in grave? That's 3 variables. It's slow, clunky, needs a lot of setup for a every small payoff. Reviving Upstart with CotH and discarding any trap for another level 4 Ninja does nearly the same job without having to run a big dead draw level 8. But if it floats your boat, be my guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello my name is Enguin Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Except you used up your Normal Summon on Upstart already, and Blade Armor NInja is one of the worse rank 4s, but oh well. 1. Do I have Getsuga in hand?2. Do I have CotH in hand?3. Do I have 2 targets in grave? That's 3 variables. It's slow, clunky, needs a lot of setup for a every small payoff. Reviving Upstart with CotH and discarding any trap for another level 4 Ninja does nearly the same job without having to run a big dead draw level 8. But if it floats your boat, be my guest. This idea you have that having to have 2 level 4 monsters in the graveyard is some awkward task is ridiculous, especially in Ninjas where all you do is either Xyz or Ninijitsu into a big monster, both of which result in Ninjas in the grave. CotH for Hanzo will search Getsuga, so you don't need him in your hand. Upstart into Getsuga does the same thing. RotA >>> Upstart >>> Hanzo >>> add Getsuga, Xyz for whatever. You don't need to run more than one Getsuga with the fact that it can be searched so easily and cards like Daigusto Emeral and Jar of Avarice can recycle it anyway. It doesn't need a lot of setup to pull off and the payoff is 2 free monsters with no restrictions on how they can be used, what they can do or other limitations on your plays for the turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 This idea you have that having to have 2 level 4 monsters in the graveyard is some impossible task is ridiculous, especially in Ninjas where all you do is either Xyz or Ninijitsu into a big monster, both of which result in Ninjas in the grave. CotH for Hanzo will search Getsuga, so you don't need him in your hand. Upstart into Getsuga does the same thing. RotA >>> Upstart >>> Hanzo >>> add Getsuga, Xyz for whatever. You don't need to run more than one Getsuga with the fact that it can be searched so easily and cards like Daigusto Emeral and Jar of Avarice can recycle it anyway. It doesn't need a lot of setup to pull off and the payoff is 2 free monsters with no restrictions on how they can be used, what they can do or other limitations on your plays for the turn.Did I say impossible? No. Notice I keep saying it's a potentially DEAD card. I never used the word "bad". The payoff is great alright, but the potential to dead draw vs potential to actually do something is a big too big for my tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireofDarkness Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Except you used up your Normal Summon on Upstart already, and Blade Armor NInja is one of the worse rank 4s, but oh well. Tbh in said combo it could be any Xyz that has Ninja in its name, but you still get 2 searches, can end your field with Raff, and have a 3000 ass. All on turn 1 if you really wanted. Not saying it's gonna be game changing, but the potent is there. I see it being run with few Spells and a LOT of Traps in attempt to make Upstart live. Maybe3 Upstart3 Hanzo1 Getsuga3 Myrm1-2 Dia?1 ROTA3 Goblin(Holes and Transformations galore)I'll be loading this stuff today and seeing where I get with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello my name is Enguin Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Did I say impossible? No. Notice I keep saying it's a potentially DEAD card. I never used the word "bad". The payoff is great alright, but the potential to dead draw vs potential to actually do something is a big too big for my tastes. You never used the word bad, you instead said it was "too slow to even be considered", described it as both "slow" and "clunky", also remarking that the payoff was "small". These terms, in my experience, equate to saying the card is bad. And anyway, if you run one, the potential for a dead draw is the same as the potential for a dead draw of any card that isn't instantly live, and Ninjas are a deck that already run at least a few high level monsters that they can't do anything with outside of Ninjitsu cards. The difference is that this can actually be plausibly summoned without the use of those things with its effect requiring only one tribute, on top of giving you 2 free cards which themselves can give you free cards if one of them is Hanzo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 You never used the word bad, you instead said it was "too slow to even be considered", described it as both "slow" and "clunky", also remarking that the payoff was "small". These terms, in my experience, equate to saying the card is bad. And anyway, if you run one, the potential for a dead draw is the same as the potential for a dead draw of any card that isn't instantly live, and Ninjas are a deck that already run at least a few high level monsters that they can't do anything with outside of Ninjitsu cards. The difference is that this can actually be plausibly summoned without the use of those things with its effect requiring only one tribute, on top of giving you 2 free cards which themselves can give you free cards if one of them is Hanzo.So long I don't use the word bad, I didn't mean a card is bad. I know it's uncommon to actually use the words you mean, but oh well. I mean, if you look at it, Trishula is also slow and clunky to play because summoning it takes a bit of effort and resources, though payoff is great in that case (still not as insane as people make it out to be, but that's not the topic here). Exactly, the deck is already rigged with dead draws. Sure, one possibility is to run this guy, and ensure your monsters are level 8s and run 3 Trade-In. Will it be good? Who knows, but sounds like an option on paper if you really wanna play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of the Abyss Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Can we at least settle on something? Shingetsu is one huge letdown. I almost thought it worked like Heiress and was gonna be like "We might be onto something", but unfortunately it has to be destroyed, and I think that's unfortunately way too slow. The first effect feels tacked on and doesn't really help its case one bit. Very confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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