Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 If you control "Necrovalley": Both players discard any monsters in their hands. Gravekeepers suck Monkey dick, card has been at 3 for over a year in OCG. However, here is how this thread will go: Group A(Me) is for Royal Tribute going up. Group B(Klav or Dyson iirc) is either for it staying at 1 or getting banned outright. A: "Royal Tribute ought to move up."B: "No, Royal Tribute cannot move up; it's overpowered/sacky/degenerate/I don't feel it should because it just shouldn't."A: "What's your basis?"B: "It can ruin entire hands, especially turn 1, and thus steal a win."A: "Okay. How many times has that happened anywhere recently? Can you point to any large-scale event - including regionals - where that's been documented and where said deck playing Royal Tribute performed excellently?"B: "I don't care about results/there's more to Yugioh than results. It ought to be at 1/0 on principle/for the health of the game/because it's sacky and can work that way."A: "Well, what about the cost of Royal Tribute? It requires hands as well as Necrovalley."B: "Hands will always be around (not necessarily true, but I'll accept it) and lots of decks play Necrovalley."A: "Okay, which decks Main Necrovalley?"B: (answer could vary) "Anything anti-meta can splash Necrovalley."A: "Really? Like what? The only decks I've seen Main Necro are Gravekeepers and Malefic. Anti-meta decks tend to Side it, and also aren't performing well by any visible stretch."B: "Again, that isn't the point. The point is that Royal Tribute can happen."A: "But it isn't happening. Anywhere. I asked you to point to a tournament where it actually is happening. You're saying you're okay with keeping a card at 1/0 because of a problem that doesn't exist anywhere?"B: "Well, it doesn't exist because of what's around right now."A: "So you admit it isn't broken, then?"B: "No, it's not as broken as what's being played presently. If we were to scale back powercreep and hit the nonsense, Royal Tribute would get stronger."A: "Okay, so what about post-DUEA. Did it see play then?"B: "Doesn't matter."A: "That's a trick question; it didn't see play. I'm asking was Royal Tribute strong then? Because if so, why didn't it pop up? And if not, do we need to also scale back DUEA powercreep?"B: (Two choices) a. "Yes, scale it back further" (basically a continuum proving that Royal Tribute gets weaker and weaker/requires a ton of scaling back to ever be regarded as a threat) or b. "No amount of powercreep will change my principles" (close-minded individual in utter denial of reality who shouldn't be taken seriously, because their views are 100% inconsistent with results and reality). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Royal Tribute ought to move up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 well you already mentioned it. thread's over guys. but legit GK suck dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman Indra Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Doesn't seem that verified when i legit wreck some decks with gravekeepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Doesn't seem that verified when i legit wreck some decks with gravekeepers. Any deck can beat anything once, Gravekeepers are not good just because you win against randomers on DN the odd time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Doesn't seem that verified when i legit wreck some decks with gravekeepers.You are irrelevant. Have you won a YOT/YCS or top a decent sized event with this? Don't be Azne eyes please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndUser Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 I've lost against Gravekeeps several times. Not always because of RT, but 2 times yes. Had Blackwings the 1st time and a R4 spam the 2nd. The other times I tried at least.Also, Pendulums don't really like this card. They're often saved only with Pot of Riches or something. It's like if we semi-Limit Raigeki; pure advantage with (almost) no cost is not desired. "It requires Necrovalley" is not even a valid arguement. It's like saying "Tenacity of the Monarchs requires having a card with specific ATK/DEF in your hand". Simply put, I wouldn't like it being at 2. Only if Necrovalley could somehow been held back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 I've lost against Gravekeeps several times. Not always because of RT, but 2 times yes. Had Blackwings the 1st time and a R4 spam the 2nd. The other times I tried at least.Also, Pendulums don't really like this card. They're often saved only with Pot of Riches or something. It's like if we semi-Limit Raigeki; pure advantage with (almost) no cost is not desired. "It requires Necrovalley" is not even a valid arguement. It's like saying "Tenacity of the Monarchs requires having a card with specific ATK/DEF in your hand". Simply put, I wouldn't like it being at 2. Only if Necrovalley could somehow been held back.Holy sheet, you lost. Who the funk cares. It's a funking two card combo that has no promise of reward...please don't put it anywhere near the same boat as Thunderbolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndUser Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Alright. I may not be a decent duelist, but if you name me at least 5 decks that can do well against RT, then I'll know what you're talking about.(Usually, only top tier decks appear at important tournaments, so I'd like to hear examples besides this case.) edit: Now that I think of it, if the top decks can manage it then there's no point arguing over it (because it wouldn't make much difference). Or is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Alright. I may not be a decent duelist, but if you name me at least 5 decks that can do well against RT, then I'll know what you're talking about.(Usually, only top tier decks appear at important tournaments, so I'd like to hear examples besides this case.)BA, tier 2Shaddolls, tier 2Dark Worlds tier 5Chaos Dragons tier 9Fables - the tierless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Dark Worlds, BAs, Fableds, maybe Shaddolls, Infernities and Infernoids wouldn't mind this being dropped on them, theoretically speaking. That is 6 decks that can do well against it. Well this post is too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Even if the deck is bad, the card is horse sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 edit: Now that I think of it, if the top decks can manage it then there's no point arguing over it (because it wouldn't make much difference). Or does it? In theory, but not fully. Hard to find an example now in OCG, but try something like Reborn in TCG, wouldn't really hurt the top decks, yet people piss their selves if it's mentioned. Or Ruler format, where basically every card could have come off the list and still not been able to touch rulersEven if the deck is bad, the card is horse s***.Even with this card, the deck is bad. So horse sheet or not, why should it be banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Pretty much what Giga said. Even though GKs are pretty shite, this card operates like a pseudo floodgate when your opponent doesn't control any monsters, since all they gotta do is set a Spy then play this under Necro to possibly strip you of 1-5 monsters. It won't always be damaging, just potentially. Pendulum decks would be hurt a fair bit by this, due to their typical preference of being very monster heavy. I would suppose that since GK are weak moving this to 2 or 3 will not make much difference. But said difference WILL be felt, that is pretty much guaranteed. (Plus I'm sure Saikyo will moan about how this card kills Superheavies etc etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanashimi Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Well yes, Royal Tribute'd once by my opponent, and the funny thing is they also discard their entire monster BEFORE he summon a monster, so yes, keep end phase until we got a monster XD (he should have summon something 1st tho, then Royal Tribute). Up up and up!A lot of grave eff this day and format (mentioned by Enguin), why not? Gravekeeper is slow and need more love, i dunno why Konami still hold this back. Even if this card at 3, Gravekeeper is still hella slow.dek, Necrovalley got pop'd out easily this day (MST, Castel, Twin Twister, anything). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Although I'm not so set on moving royal tribute up that I'm going to passive-aggressively insult anyone who disagrees and shout at anyone who says something slightly misguided, I suppose it could come up without any effect. The deck's sheet and this wouldn't make it much better, although it is a pretty aids card. To be honest, I don't give 2 shits where Royal Tribute is on the list but if it matters so much to you to get cards off the list then by all means, this is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 I hate this stupid card i hope it gets pot of greed's treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 It's funny how I've only encountered this card once on Dueling Network and once in real life. And with Grave-happy Decks, archetypes, and cards such as Burning Abyss, Shaddoll, and Performage Trick Clown, you'd only be doing them a favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 but legit GK suck dick.It's because Royal Tribute is literally the ONLY play they honestly ever had. Outside of that, they are outright terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 It's because Royal Tribute is literally the ONLY play they honestly ever had. Outside of that, they are outright terrible.Necrovalley set 4 TK Granted that's more of a "don't play" than a play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Necrovalley set-Lots of decks can/could do the whole 'Set 5 pass' play. It's not GK specific(Despite the fact they were prone to it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 GK's might not be good anymore but they were a fantastic deck back in their day and only missed out on being considered the best deck of their time because Samurai were around. Spy Valley set 4 was more or less unbeatable and the deck was able to get really good advantage with Descendant and Recruiter etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 GK's might not be good anymore but they were a fantastic deck back in their day and only missed out on being considered the best deck of their time because Samurai were around. Spy Valley set 4 was more or less unbeatable and the deck was able to get really good advantage with Descendant and Recruiter etc.Glad Beast were crazy once too, I don't see anyone jabroniing about easing up on them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 It's not like Gladiator Beasts had any card like this, which isn't even specifically tied to Gravekeepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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