Blake Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Well, Monarchs got off way too lightly and will probably smash everything, but I like how they're smashing everything pendulum-related as if to say they want to tone down the mechanic a little. Also, Wavering's ban makes it 4 for 4 in my memory of cards that were sided out being banned. Turns out, if you want a card banned just agree to side it out in a big event.What were the others? I know Djinn, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 What were the others? I know Djinn, but... Djinn, Snatch Steal and Sixth Sense/Return. It's technically 5, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 What were the others? I know Djinn, but...Snatch Steal was one EDIT: Ninjad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 didn't monarchs sometimes run an engine with Blue Layer and Red Layer super quants?yeah, but i don't count that since it's not really part of monarch type. E-tele was more of a kozm hit than a monarch hit. I know wavering eyes is a powerful card, but 3-0 never feeels right (chicken game as well) as a side note, thousand eyes went up to $22.00 already (it was $4 at the time of the Ocg list and i picked up 3). hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 In the case of Wavering Eyes 3-0 is more indicative that Konami made a mistake not limiting it sooner than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 yeah, but i don't count that since it's not really part of monarch type. E-tele was more of a kozm hit than a monarch hit.Just because it doesn't say the word monarch doesn't mean it doesn't weaken the deck. I'm honestly unsure if the engine is worth using with only 2 etele, since blue layer is such a dead draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 The real Monarch engine was Reasoning, and now that's dead........Monarchs have no real consistent engine going for them now, and Edea >> Edios is going to get hit hard by Veiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Just because it doesn't say the word monarch doesn't mean it doesn't weaken the deck. I'm honestly unsure if the engine is worth using with only 2 etele, since blue layer is such a dead draw.i get that it killed an alternate engine, but that's kind of different than hitting the deck imo. I was expecting a domain, pantheism, or stormforth hit. it does destroy that variant though, so i guess you could call it a monarch hit. berlines and mithra both work under the threat of veiler though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 If you're going to be technical the real Monarch hits are Chicken Game and Upstart Goblin. Now I look at the list I'm not sure if Monarchs will be quite as good because there are several medium-sized indirect hits, but I'd still be worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 They made some really good blanket hits on this list, honestly. Chicken Game hits Super Quantams and Monarchs in a way, Etele hits both Monarchs, Quantams, and Kozmo, Dracopal limits are reasonable.Banlists don't mean pure genocide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 If you're going to be technical the real Monarch hits are Chicken Game and Upstart Goblin. Now I look at the list I'm not sure if Monarchs will be quite as good because there are several medium-sized indirect hits, but I'd still be worried. I kinda had this realization, too. I guess it's just Kozmo that mostly came out on top + weaking blue layer engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Kozmo and PKBA are the 2 decks fighting this format, no real question about it. Kozmo can beat Dracopals easily now, Monarchs even more so, PKBA is the only true neutral matchup. PKBA can fight through Kozmo backrow like its nothing, and F0 is a constant threat. Kozmo have their non-targetable beatstick, but PKBA wall so effectively it's hard to break through. Atlanteans weren't hit by this list, but they're so die or kill it's not consistent enough for actual competitive play. Personally, PK BA will be tier 1, followed by Kozmo, (then Dracopal, then Atlanteans - Interchangeable), then Monarchs.Monarchs are just too inconsistent, and most of their engines are either just as inconsistent or were crippled by this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 The trouble with Kozmo is they lose to Monarchs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 im fine with the entirety of the list but im kinda salty about upstart to 1 cause i only got 3 a bit agostill ood to run @1 though just not as goodreckless green may replace it in yosenju if i cant afford card of demise idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 No deck thinning allowed anymore, huh. And they went as far as to limit both Joker and Monkey. I found these changes amusing. It's nice to see DMoC finally unlocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 The trouble with Kozmo is they lose to Monarchs. They really don't though. It's a really big misconception that is reinforced with millions (ok, not that many xd) of mediocre Kozmo players failing to play properly against Monarchs. You simply don't play against Monarchs with Kozmo the same you do with every other deck. Sure, The Monarchs Stormforth is strong, but that's just stupid Kozmo players falling into their trap and letting them Tribute your ships. Domain is strong, sure, but Kozmo don't access their Extra Deck that often, aside from Brilliant Fusion variants. Majesty's Fiend is valid, but that was already strong to begin with, and even then Kozmo maindeck 3 Call of the Haunted, 3 Kozmojo, 2 Dark Holes and 1 Raigeki. The matchup is a joke if you disrupt their Eidos and Edea, most likely the engine they'll be using from this point forward. They're too linear, they have no flexibility.Monarchs will die quickly to a Kozmo t1 build-up followed by t2 OTK. Not to mention Monarchs representation is really minor and hardly a threat. Nobody will drop Kozmo, BA, Atlanteans, or Dracopals for a deck that is inherently inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Highlander Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 I know wavering eyes is a powerful card, but 3-0 never feeels right (chicken game as well)3 => 0 feels right when cancer is hit.To be quite honest I would have liked ignister to go to 0, however actually removing cancer like wavering eyes is by far better, ... by the way, did 3 => 0 also feel wrong with spellbook of judgement ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Wait for Winter to come and see....Also, Yugimation, your main character of banned camp is leaving now....... Other than that, I'm fine with the list. Did not expect a list right now, and to take effect just 3 days from now. Looking forward to what changes and will now how to update decks I had just finished updating last night.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 My Madolches weren't hit at all so, that's great.My Atlanteans weren't hit at all so, that's great.Dracopals I can easily revise for the new list.I might pick up BA again, they're obviously the best deck now.My Gishki got hit w/ Upstart and Chicken Game, but idgaf about that trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabber2033 Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 So. Monarchs and Kozmo T1. BA and Pends T2. I'm actually rather okay with this. Upstart limit makes me scratch my head a bit but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 ^(PK)BA is T1, by the way monarchs apparently are T2. 3 => 0 feels right when cancer is hit.To be quite honest I would have liked ignister to go to 0, however actually removing cancer like wavering eyes is by far better, ... by the way, did 3 => 0 also feel wrong with spellbook of judgement ?i don't mean it's not the right thing to do. i'm just saying i personally don't like it. it's just a personal thing in this case though, i understand the reasons, it just doesn't sit right with me to hit cards to zero without a trial at 1. ( SoJ, baby rulers and the like are the kinds of cards that simply reading them could tell you all you need to know about where they belong on the list.) i think a trial run at 1 might have been decent for wavering, race, and the other 3-0 cards in this list, but i can understand the reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 I mean, if you've played YGO in 2015/2016, simply reading Wavering Eyes does that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 i rarely run into pendulums, so i don't run across it all that much, and due to my scrub nature, i run magical springs, and have more often than not chained it to wavering eyes whenever playing pendulums, causing my opponents to ask "who runs that?" i know it's a strong card, but i rarely have to face it at it's full power, so i probably care about it far less than your average players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingdom Xathers Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Welp, looks like my Super Quant deck is gonna need a fair bit of reconstruction; Chicken Race and Upstart were my go-to for Draws (aside from Wonder Wand, which I run because Green Layer and Summoner Monk), Reasoning was one of my SS methods... I ran 2 Norden, so that frees up an Extra Slot, and E-Tele to 2 gives me a new Main Deck slot to fill. ... I will most likely have to destroy my NirvanaPendulum Deck, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 dark magician of chaos at 3 makes dark renewal op..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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