Upstart Troll

[mr. waifu]

Upstart Troll

Normal Spell Card

Draw 1 card: Take 1000 damage.

[Trebuchet MS]

Not too different from Upstart Goblin, except maybe for the fact that the self-burn can be blocked by Des Wombat or the like.

[Yuuji Kazami]

Oh god no.

 

FTK decks with Chicken Game and the like would just become more consistent, and Chicken Game prevent the damage either way if your opponent has higher LP, making it a free draw. Yuuji says no, atleast not until Magical Explosion or Life Equalizer is banned.

 

Not certain of the effects for Exodia decks with the new cards coming out though.

[Trebuchet MS]

Oh god no.

 

FTK decks with Chicken Game and the like would just become more consistent, and Chicken Game prevent the damage either way if your opponent has higher LP, making it a free draw. Yuuji says no, atleast not until Magical Explosion or Life Equalizer is banned.

 

Not certain of the effects for Exodia decks with the new cards coming out though.

Psst, hey. Chicken Game got banned and Upstart Goblin got limited.

[Yuuji Kazami]

Psst, hey. Chicken Game got banned and Upstart Goblin got limited.

As long as aberrations like Magical Explosion and Life Equalizer still exists, Yuuji still says no. There's still the variation of Blasting the Ruins and Wall of Revealing Light FTK with Life Equalizer, although it's not as consistent. Cursed Bamboo Sword was also a push for the FTK's by fetching a bamboo sword card when it hits the grave. 

 

Still saying no. =(

[IQuitDolphin]

This is shitposting at its finest

 

10/10

 

Konami banned Chicken Game for a reason, and now you want to make a carbon copy of it, only with considerably less blowback in exchange for...not being searchable by Terraforming?

 

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I know this is merely a reaction card to the banlist, but this has clearly not been thought out well and is pretty bad design, both in theory, and in practice.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Not like equalizer is a good enough deck anyway.

 

Honestly, this is a horrible idea anyway, since it can be used in decks like the now-limited upstart, without hindering OTKs.

[Slinky]

D/D/D D'arc.

Need I say more?

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

That, or whatever card that restores LP. (I haven't touched that D/D deck I made for YGOPro for quite a while now, so not sure if they actually mained Upstart; I probably didn't, but IDK). 

 

But as already mentioned, card is pretty much another Upstart, except it burns you (which, again, certain Decks can just negate/reverse). 

[Sander]

Hope for Escape $$$$$$$

[The Nyx Avatar]

As long as aberrations like Magical Explosion and Life Equalizer still exists, Yuuji still says no.

And that's not a proper argument as to why this isn't a good card.

 

Upstart Goblin was just Limited and and Chicken Game was just banned; seems pretty obvious this card was made in response to these changes in the list. Granted, losing 1000 Life Points is more of a cost than giving your opponent 1000. Though, that's not really saying much.

[AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW]

And that's not a proper argument as to why this isn't a good card.

 

Upstart Goblin was just Limited and and Chicken Game was just banned; seems pretty obvious this card was made in response to these changes in the list. Granted, losing 1000 Life Points is more of a cost than giving your opponent 1000. Though, that's not really saying much.

Losing 1000 isn't always worse than your opponent gaining 1000 when it comes to Upstart-esque cards. Especially if you're trying to OTK; in that case f*ck whatever Life Points you may have, but your opponent isn't getting harder to kill. In fact, this card is likely better than Upstart Goblin because of that, and those other shenanigans with D'arc and Hope for Escape and such where Goblin had... uh, Cure Burn.

 

So, yeah, what everyone else already said: Replacement Upstart Goblin is replacement Upstart Goblin. Hitting Upstart Goblin also slows down the format a bit, since you no longer have these "37-card Decks," and making a replacement is just going to bring it back up to speed, wait, no, make it even faster because you get a 36-card Deck instead. For the sake of format speed, it might be better that there is no replacement Upstart Goblin. If you wanted a replacement, there are actually quite a few other draw cards out there like 1 Day (also Limited), Reckless Greed (actually a fair card until you realize the skipped Draw Phases don't stack), and so.

[The Nyx Avatar]

Losing 1000 isn't always worse than your opponent gaining 1000 when it comes to Upstart-esque cards. Especially if you're trying to OTK; in that case f*ck whatever Life Points you may have, but your opponent isn't getting harder to kill. In fact, this card is likely better than Upstart Goblin because of that, and those other shenanigans with D'arc and Hope for Escape and such where Goblin had... uh, Cure Burn.

 

Hence why I said that's not saying much. In fact, I agree that I'd prefer to pay 1000 if I were to one-turn kill. But how about in terms of fairness/balance? Which is a more fair/balanced card?

[AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW]

Hence why I said that's not saying much. In fact, I agree that I'd prefer to pay 1000 if I were to one-turn kill. But how about in terms of fairness/balance? Which is a more fair/balanced card?

With as fast as Yugioh is now, the healing is probably more fair since it makes it more likely that you're opponent will survive the board you may try to set up, though 1000 isn't going to do much.

 

If the game was much slower, then I guess the "lose 1000" version might be healthier. The advantage of digging into your Deck offsets the "lose 1000" too much for it to be a healthier choice. In this game, there are still quite a few cards that would abuse the Life Point loss for the same reasons Wall of Revealing Light got hit.

[ENMaker]

Nobody even going to mention it draws as a cost.

[AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW]

Nobody even going to mention it draws as a condition.

Ftfy. It's just to make Dark Bribe an even better counter, you know!

 

But if it really is supposed to draw as a cost, then it just makes it ever the more better than Goblin anyway.

[Yuuji Kazami]

And that's not a proper argument as to why this isn't a good card.

Upstart Goblin was just Limited and and Chicken Game was just banned; seems pretty obvious this card was made in response to these changes in the list. Granted, losing 1000 Life Points is more of a cost than giving your opponent 1000. Though, that's not really saying much.

And why did Upstart and Chicken get hit in this banlist, hm?

 

This card doesn't make things any better. Downing your own LP for consistency is something that most meta decks wants, since they can draw into the combos needed to end the game in that turn.

 

Not only that, I still say no to the fact that FTK decks can still use this card. Cards like this is still giving a boost to the old Blasting the Ruins FTK, since they still have 1 more draw card. This was still existing before Chicken was a thing.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

And why did Upstart and Chicken get hit in this banlist, hm?

I mean, not because of equalizer. From a design perspective, which is what everything should be based on because casual is weird, it is honestly debatable, but this is a better card than upstart in nearly every situation upstart was played, which extends far beyond irrelevant ftks

[The Nyx Avatar]

And why did Upstart and Chicken get hit in this banlist, hm?

 

Because cutting down the Deck size; not some Deck that never saw top-tier.

This card doesn't make things any better. Downing your own LP for consistency is something that most meta decks wants, since they can draw into the combos needed to end the game in that turn.

 

Hence why I said it's not saying much.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Because cutting down the Deck size; not some Deck that never saw top-tier.

Though my input is more suitable for advanced CC, this card is better in those decks than upstart.

[The Nyx Avatar]

Not only that, I still say no to the fact that FTK decks can still use this card. Cards like this is still giving a boost to the old Blasting the Ruins FTK, since they still have 1 more draw card. This was still existing before Chicken was a thing.

Stop bringing this up; this is not a proper argument.

Though my input is more suitable for advanced CC, this card is better in those decks than upstart.

Though, which is more fair/balanced (at least in comparison)?

[IQuitDolphin]

​Upstart Goblin increases the opponent's LP, which is negligible as LP is not important when compared to consistently acquiring more card advantage than your opponent.

​Upstart Troll decreases your LP, which may seem negligible but leaves you more open in the case the opponent breaks through any soft locks you set up and makes pokes from your opponent that much more dangerous.

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​As a general analysis, Upstart Troll is much more risky than Upstart Goblin, but it's still drawing a card that acts as a pseudo-proxy, which in turn decreases your total deck size. The concept of 37-card decks goes against the minimum 40 cards rule.