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To be honest, this is probably just a good read and a boat load of propaganda. On the off chance it is true, arresting somebody for their political beliefs is in violation of the constitution. So more wasted tax dollars I guess.

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1 hour ago, Horu said:

To be honest, this is probably just a good read and a boat load of propaganda. On the off chance it is true, arresting somebody for their political beliefs is in violation of the constitution. So more wasted tax dollars I guess.

what....how did you get that at all from this?

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2 hours ago, The Immaculate Lord CowCow said:

what....how did you get that at all from this?

Because we live in a time were having having the american flag on your property is considered an act of domestic terrorism. So yeah, likely, just somebody disagreeing with some democrats who got butthurt and called the police.

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23 minutes ago, Horu said:

Because we live in a time were having having the american flag on your property is considered an act of domestic terrorism. So yeah, likely, just somebody disagreeing with some democrats who got butthurt and called the police.

Did you not read the article? Cause like

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Just one part of it

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6 hours ago, Horu said:

To be honest, this is probably just a good read and a boat load of propaganda. On the off chance it is true, arresting somebody for their political beliefs is in violation of the constitution. So more wasted tax dollars I guess.

 

1 hour ago, Horu said:

Because we live in a time were having having the american flag on your property is considered an act of domestic terrorism. So yeah, likely, just somebody disagreeing with some democrats who got butthurt and called the police.

 

if you read the article it's clear this is not a case of dissent bad in action. as cowcow pointed out they were literally planning political genocide

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1 hour ago, The Immaculate Lord CowCow said:

Did you not read the article? Cause like

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Just one part of it

Yeah, this is definitely a targeted statement. But is there any political motive behind this? Or is this more of a hate thing? I mean "terrorism" by definition is the use of voilence/threats to gain a political advantage. His statement, while targeted, feels more the lines of generalized hate/anger as opposed to terrorism. Regardless, he would likely be better off in the funny farm.

12 minutes ago, cr47t said:

 

 

if you read the article it's clear this is not a case of dissent bad in action. as cowcow pointed out they were literally planning political genocide

I'm not saying it is. But I am pointing out the fact that stuff like this has been done before. However, as I said above, guy needs time away from the world to re-evaluate his life. On one hand, I hope the story is legit and not just a half decent read full of anti-republican propaganda. On the other hand, I hate the thought that somebody could outright murder folks because of their political beliefs and would honestly prefer the story to be nothing but propaganda.

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On 7/17/2021 at 7:20 AM, Horu said:

... I hate the thought that somebody could outright murder folks because of their political beliefs ...

On 7/17/2021 at 7:20 AM, Horu said:

... stuff like this has been done before. 

not going to give names b/c i dont want to give the fame of said people a new lease on life, but i'm sure you can find a few with small effort.

also, reading your first/second and third posts, i wouldn't have known they were from the same guy if they weren't all tagged as yours. we've established political beliefs wasn't the basis for arrest, but how TF did you get that conclusion in the first place? when they had plans and equipment and all in their possession and communications? reminder that if they succeeded this would have been not just terrorism but actual political genocide

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On 7/16/2021 at 11:30 PM, The Immaculate Lord CowCow said:

what....how did you get that at all from this?

I think it's likely that he deliberately chose not to read the article and was calling it propaganda only because of the title of this thread. The only time he directly commented on the article itself was when you posted a screenshot from it. He assumed that this must be anti-Republican propaganda, despite Republicans not being mentioned until the very end, in a fairly neutral statement.

"The memo says Copeland and Rogers were infuriated after Joe Biden was declared the winner of the 2020 presidential election, and they “understood they would be viewed as domestic terrorists” if they carried out their vision to overturn the US government."

They knew they were planning terrorism. In this case, they were not arrested for their own political beliefs, but they were planning to murder people for their political beliefs. When their plan includes blowing up a building, the arresting officers are not doing so because of what these two believe.

Horu, for once I would like you to focus on the subject at hand, rather than projecting your frustration with other circumstances onto something else. Asking this story to be more than "anti-Republican propaganda", but actually wishing that it was is forcing a question about this story that no rational person should be demanding.

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5 hours ago, Phantom Roxas said:

I think it's likely that he deliberately chose not to read the article and was calling it propaganda only because of the title of this thread. The only time he directly commented on the article itself was when you posted a screenshot from it. He assumed that this must be anti-Republican propaganda, despite Republicans not being mentioned until the very end, in a fairly neutral statement.

The thing is, a lot of anti-republican stuff has been circulating lately. But I'm sure this story will be twisted in all sorts of directions once other media sources can sink their teeth into it.

5 hours ago, Phantom Roxas said:

"The memo says Copeland and Rogers were infuriated after Joe Biden was declared the winner of the 2020 presidential election, and they “understood they would be viewed as domestic terrorists” if they carried out their vision to overturn the US government."

So Biden won. No reason to go blow up buildings and kill a bunch of innocent people. Just wait the four years and vote again.

5 hours ago, Phantom Roxas said:

They knew they were planning terrorism. In this case, they were not arrested for their own political beliefs, but they were planning to murder people for their political beliefs. When their plan includes blowing up a building, the arresting officers are not doing so because of what these two believe.

Yes. The officers were doing their jobs. I still think it's disgusting to outright murder people simply based off of their political views. Never mentioned the arrest being based on politics. Just expressed my disgust for the people that were going to commit genocide because the people they wanted to kill were democrats.

5 hours ago, Phantom Roxas said:

Horu, for once I would like you to focus on the subject at hand, rather than projecting your frustration with other circumstances onto something else. Asking this story to be more than "anti-Republican propaganda", but actually wishing that it was is forcing a question about this story that no rational person should be 

Yes, Roxas, I want this story be propaganda. Mostly because I find it disgusting to kill people because of their race, religion, political views, etc.

Those aren't legitimate reasons for not liking somebody. Much less to kill them. 

But yes, I do believe their goal was start a political war. I mean, what other reason would you have to attack a democrat building?

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1 hour ago, Horu said:

The thing is, a lot of anti-republican stuff has been circulating lately. But I'm sure this story will be twisted in all sorts of directions once other media sources can sink their teeth into it.

That's nice, but all the media is doing is just reporting that these guys were arrested. If you have an issue with a trend of articles critical of Republicans, it isn't relevant to this discussion.

1 hour ago, Horu said:

So Biden won. No reason to go blow up buildings and kill a bunch of innocent people. Just wait the four years and vote again.

I agree with this. I have no further comment to add, I just wanted to address each point individually and thought that it would be bad form to leave this part out.

1 hour ago, Horu said:

Yes. The officers were doing their jobs. I still think it's disgusting to outright murder people simply based off of their political views. Never mentioned the arrest being based on politics. Just expressed my disgust for the people that were going to commit genocide because the people they wanted to kill were democrats.

I was wondering when you'd blatantly lie about how you totally never said something in this thread, except I can directly quote you saying exactly that.

On 7/16/2021 at 9:33 PM, Horu said:

On the off chance it is true, arresting somebody for their political beliefs is in violation of the constitution. So more wasted tax dollars I guess.

So yes, you did mention the arrest being based on politics. You were explicitly trying to accuse the arrest of being based on politics. If you want to argue against my point, you can do so without lying. Note that I quoted your first post from this thread, so you were talking about arresting them based on politics and accusing this story of just being propaganda before ever expressing disgust with their plans.

1 hour ago, Horu said:

Yes, Roxas, I want this story be propaganda. Mostly because I find it disgusting to kill people because of their race, religion, political views, etc.

Those aren't legitimate reasons for not liking somebody. Much less to kill them. 

But yes, I do believe their goal was start a political war. I mean, what other reason would you have to attack a democrat building?

How is reporting that two men were arrested propaganda? https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/two-charged-conspiracy-scheme-attack-democratic-headquarters-sacramento

I'm sorry, but saying that they were arrested for planning to blow up a building is just a statement of fact. Wishing for this to be propaganda is just denying reality on a very basic level.

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Apologies for my mistake there, @cr47t and @Phantom Roxas. I did mention that bit. Must of forgotten about that. Clearly my opinion shifted once Cow pointed out that bit about them wanting to slaughter people because of politics.

 

@Ryusei the Morning Star I tend to be very skeptical of the government because I was part of it and the agencies outright lie to their own agents. But at best, this will be another Sandy Hook incident that'll be forgotten and at worst, it'll serve as fuel for democrats to openly attack republicans. Only time will tell.

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15 hours ago, Ryusei the Morning Star said:

People trust the FBI after operation crossfire? LMAO, rip to two likely innocent turkeys for the cause

I'm not at all surprised that you still sympathize with domestic terrorists, and now you want to pretend that they're martyrs for your "cause".

14 hours ago, Horu said:

Apologies for my mistake there, @cr47t and @Phantom Roxas. I did mention that bit. Must of forgotten about that. Clearly my opinion shifted once Cow pointed out that bit about them wanting to slaughter people because of politics.

 

@Ryusei the Morning Star I tend to be very skeptical of the government because I was part of it and the agencies outright lie to their own agents. But at best, this will be another Sandy Hook incident that'll be forgotten and at worst, it'll serve as fuel for democrats to openly attack republicans. Only time will tell.

Your opinion shifted because Cow literally had to post a screenshot of the article for you, since you weren't going to read the article otherwise. Maybe you should have actually just read the article from the beginning instead of making assumptions about it just because Republicans get criticized for other things.

Both men were members of the Three Percenters, and contacted the Proud Boys. If anything, those connections have been emphasized far more than whether they're Republicans. They support Trump, but despite the significant overlap, Trump supporters are not always Republicans, and vice versa. The only part that's relevant is that they supported Trump and were planning to murder people just because Trump lost.

If you're uncomfortable with how you believe this story could be "twisted", then can we at least agree that the Three Percenters and Proud Boys are domestic terrorists? While both groups are on the far right, I don't think you'd like to see anyone use them to judge Republicans as a whole. I don't think it's rational to dismiss this as "anti-Republican propaganda" when they are connected with terrorist groups.

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28 minutes ago, Phantom Roxas said:

Your opinion shifted because Cow literally had to post a screenshot of the article for you, since you weren't going to read the article otherwise. Maybe you should have actually just read the article from the beginning instead of making assumptions about it just because Republicans get criticized for other things.

I won't argue with you on this as I originally assumed the article was more anti-republican propaganda.

28 minutes ago, Phantom Roxas said:

Both men were members of the Three Percenters, and contacted the Proud Boys. If anything, those connections have been emphasized far more than whether they're Republicans. They support Trump, but despite the significant overlap, Trump supporters are not always Republicans, and vice versa. The only part that's relevant is that they supported Trump and were planning to murder people just because Trump lost.

True. But Trump outright rebukes support from hate groups and even goes as far as refusing to accept their votes and endorsements. Also, Trump has done quite a bit to protect minorities that the current administration is trying to overturn (more on this later or you can message me and I'll explain the details).

28 minutes ago, Phantom Roxas said:

If you're uncomfortable with how you believe this story could be "twisted", then can we at least agree that the Three Percenters and Proud Boys are domestic terrorists? While both groups are on the far right, I don't think you'd like to see anyone use them to judge Republicans as a whole. I don't think it's rational to dismiss this as "anti-Republican propaganda" when they are connected with terrorist groups.

Agreed. Though I think they fell off a long time ago and it's ironic that these hate groups are so supportive of the guy that continues to shut them down. Seems like a bit of a lost cause. But yeah, I'd be game for getting rid of domestic terrorists regardless. Then again, a terrorist is a terrorist in my book, regardless of their race, color, religion, political views, etc.

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