Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Dark Worlds actually lose a whole ton of consistency in this format, since they can't derp as well, and Reckless Greed is less likely to actually be of use. You are pretty much forced to run Boss Dark Worlds, though if you played Into the Void that could become quite interesting. Snoww x3 Broww x2 Beiige x2 Tour Guide x2 Grapha x2 Sillva x2 Goldd x2 Morphing Jar? Raven / Trance? Gates x2 Upstart x2 Into the Void x2 One Day of Peace x1 Dealings x2 Dragged Down x2 Terraforming x1 Gateway? Deck Devastation Virus x2 Skill Drain x2 The Forces of Darkness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted February 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Which is why I don't like them getting hit in the first place. It's one of those decks that is somewhat too good in the real meta, but can't translate a huge amount of its power into this format. Hence...shouldn't be hit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 The Chicken is still only there because I wanna see it burn :D In all honesty, I wouldn't mind seeing it go to 1 as special limited. Banned seemed extreme even with my hatred of it, I wasn't expecting that when I said it should burn. I just feel even with 1 Tenki, it might be a tad to little, as it takes very little for the plus's to continue. So yeah, it can be special limited instead. And as for the unease about Atum, when Suppresor Dragons come out, I think it will deserve it's place at 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted February 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Tenki really is the problem card, and it's going to power Semi-Limit because that weakens the deck by removing access to Mirror Force, Bottomless, etc. Although, Chicken as a Special Semi sounds like a good plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Tenki is the only card from Fire Fists I would ever hit. Really, most of the additions shouldn't be on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted February 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 DN has been updated: OCG Ban List in BoldCurrently in question by several members. You can add others that are not Underlined and in Italics. Banned:SanganWind-Up Carrier Zenmaity Divine Judgment of the Spellbooks Gateway of the Six Power Limited:Atlantean Dragoons (or Banned) (1 for Power Limited: 1 for Banned) Pot of Avarice Special Limited:Wind-Up MagicianOne Day of PeaceSolemn Warning T.G. Hyper Librarian Infernity Launcher Lonefire Blossom Ceasefire Brotherhood of the fire Fist - Chicken (or unlimited) (1 for Special Limited: 1 for Unlimited)Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World (or Unlimited) (1 for Special Limit: 3 for Unlimited) Hieratic Dragon King of Atum Power Semi-Limited:Machina Fortress (or Special Semi-Limited) (1 for Power-Semi: 1 for Special-Semi) Karakuri Shogun mdl 00 "Burei" Fire Formation - Tenki Spellbook of SecretsMadolche Tiaramisu (or Unlimited) (1 for Power-Semi: 1 for Unlimited) Mermail Abyssmegalo Special Semi-Limited:Advanced Ritual ArtTsukuyomiThunder King Rai-Oh Tour Guide of the Underworld Geargiarmor Spellbook of the Master The Agent of Mysteries - Earth E - Emergency Call A Hero Lives Hieratic Seal of Convocation Pot of Duality Debris DragonSnoww, Unlight of Darkworld (or Unlimited) (1 for Special Semi-Limited: 3 for Unlimited) Newly Unlimited:Lumina, Lightsworn SummonerBlackwing - Kalut the Moon ShadowShien's Smoke SignalSporeMind Crush Made updates to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Grapha & Snoww to unlimited as they should be. Tiara to unlimited. I'm impartial to any of the fire fist/formation hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Updated the list further, and placed the "votes" currently for some of the cards. @Barty - Atum to 1, okay...but which 1? Power or Special? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Awesome... haven't studied the CF list as carefully, but Advance Ritual Art in Special-Semi-LImiged will most likely be my next theme.. Most commonly used Semi-limiteds are Power-Semi-Limited, so it doesn't bother any other space (mwahahaha) I'm happy for plants, Spore never really deserve to be banned/limited, and especially in this format, it was just taking up an important limited space. Now Plants are more viable. Oh wait..... is that list above complete? I don't see Malicious, or is it just the recent changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Just the stuff that's going to be moved. Anything not on this list means it's going to stay where they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Special I would say... Being forced to choose between it and REDRUM would be wrong to the decks that use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 This is the deck I used, by the way. Only ever summoned 3 extra deck monsters, since usually it was a better idea not to. I mostly used this deck because I wanted to use Reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 So is that idea sleep had going to be tested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I'm also curious about the "-1 Tribute for normal Setting", xD I heard you mentioning testing it, so I'd like to hear how it went =0 Oh btw, it looks a little more balanced now (the list I mean), last time it had too few and awkward special-semi-limited. I might be able to use all the advantageous slots next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted February 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 The -1 Tribute if you set...really is iffy. It definitely is a good rule, but not Chance Format compatible. Setting those Ancient Gear Beasts for free, reducing tributes for cards like Archlord Kristia and such is too much of a slippery slope rule... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 The -1 Tribute if you set...really is iffy. It definitely is a good rule, but not Chance Format compatible. Setting those Ancient Gear Beasts for free, reducing tributes for cards like Archlord Kristia and such is too much of a slippery slope rule... Ancient Gear Beast would not be too bad, and I'm of the opinion that Kristia shouldn't exist, but yeah, I see your point. I was just curious to know =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted February 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Byser Shock becomes instant staple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Byser Shock becomes instant staple? I don't think it'll see much more play than it already does in Tomato-using Decks. I'd think Nobleman of Crossout would be sided in case. Nobleman Eater Bug, Hade Hane, and Guardian Sphinx are a bit more worrisome to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Banned: Divine Judgment of the Spellbooks (Why ban something before an impact is even shown? I agree it's broken, but an immediate ban is a bit hasty) Gateway of the Six (Eh, I hate Six Spams. Dunno how consistent they are in Chance format, but maybe this is deserving for all the loops) Power Limited:Atlantean Dragoons (or Banned) (A banning would be undeserved thus far, in my opinion) Special Limited:Wind-Up Magician (Dunno how good Wind-Ups would be for Chance format, so I suppose this fits better than power)One Day of Peace (Agreed)Solemn Warning (Agreed) T.G. Hyper Librarian Infernity Launcher (I still think this should be a power card, considering in its deck it is THE power card...) Brotherhood of the fire Fist - Chicken (or unlimited) ( I say we see what happens.)Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World (or Unlimited) (I think it should stay unlimited. Dark Worlds have lost a lot of strength for this format.) Hieratic Dragon King of Atum (I guess I can see that.) Power Semi-Limited:Machina Fortress (or Special Semi-Limited) (Definitely a power card) Karakuri Shogun mdl 00 "Burei" (Not so sure about this... Especially considering Bureido is the one who generates all the plusses.) Fire Formation - Tenki (Well, I can't argue with that) Spellbook of Secrets (You don't even need to play 3 now anyways, and prophecies don't really have a power-semi slot, so this has no effect on the deck)Madolche Tiaramisu (or Unlimited) (Let the sweets have their queen, I say.) Mermail Abyssmegalo (Don't feel this is necessary with 1 Dragoons, really. For this format.) Special Semi-Limited:Advanced Ritual Art (Eh, not sure about this being a special, but I guess we can see how it goes)Tsukuyomi (Makes sense)Thunder King Rai-Oh (Makes sense)Snoww, Unlight of Darkworld (or Unlimited) (Not necessary to limit it in any way, really.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted February 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 DN has been updated:OCG Ban List in BoldCurrently in question by several members. You can add others that are not Underlined and in Italics. Banned:SanganWind-Up Carrier ZenmaityDivine Judgment of the Spellbooks (or unlimited) (1 for Unlimited: 1 for Banned)Gateway of the Six (or Power Limited) (? for Power Limited: 1 for Banned) Power Limited:Atlantean Dragoons (or Banned) (2 for Power Limited: 1 for Banned) Pot of Avarice Special Limited:Wind-Up Magician (2 for its current position)One Day of Peace (2 for its current position)Solemn Warning (2 for its current position) T.G. Hyper LibrarianInfernity Launcher (or Power Limited) (1 for Power Limited: 1 for Special Limited) Lonefire Blossom CeasefireBrotherhood of the fire Fist - Chicken (or unlimited) (1 for Special Limited: 2? for Unlimited)Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World (or Unlimited) (1 for Special Limit: 3 for Unlimited)Hieratic Dragon King of Atum (3 for its current position) Power Semi-Limited:Machina Fortress (or Special Semi-Limited) (2 for Power-Semi: 1 for Special-Semi)Karakuri Shogun mdl 00 "Burei" (or Unlimited/Special Semi?) (1 for Power-Semi: ? for Special Semi?: ? for Unlimited) Fire Formation - Tenki (2 for its current position) Spellbook of SecretsMadolche Tiaramisu (or Unlimited) (1 for Power-Semi: 2 for Unlimited)Mermail Abyssmegalo (or Unlimited) (1 for Power-Semi: 1 for Unlimited) Special Semi-Limited:Advanced Ritual Art (2 for its current position)Tsukuyomi (2 for its current position)Thunder King Rai-Oh (2 for its current position) Tour Guide of the Underworld Geargiarmor Spellbook of the Master The Agent of Mysteries - Earth E - Emergency Call A Hero Lives Hieratic Seal of Convocation Pot of Duality Debris DragonSnoww, Unlight of Darkworld (or Unlimited) (1 for Special Semi-Limited: 3 for Unlimited) Newly Unlimited:Lumina, Lightsworn SummonerBlackwing - Kalut the Moon ShadowShien's Smoke SignalSporeMind Crush As far as Spellbooks go...a preventive ban on Judgment seems...reasonable imo. The card is broken and can lead to several +s. I wanted to hit Priestess also, but Secrets and Master both are part of the key engine. Forcing you to run a total of 4 seemed best without killing the deck...but I suppose hitting Priestess and Judgment also seems decent...so how about: Secrets - Special Semi Master - Special Semi Priestess - Special Semi Judgment - Special Semi ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Doesn't that still kill the deck? I mean, all 4 of them seems like overkill, and I don't even play the deck. Letting judgement fry is enough, seeing as aside from that have they caused any problems before us for now? That might be bad logic for it, but to my knowledge without Judgement the deck still isn't amazing. Though a Junon hit wouldn't be too disagreeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Ehh, put my vote for Power Limited on Gateway. As for spellbooks, I'd still would like to see Judgement fry BUT I can be content with it at Power Limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Why would you think limiting so many cards is necessary for the deck? Especially since that would literally cause the deck to become unplayable, having no way to play more than 2 of the cards that they need for the deck. Judgment at Power Limited makes perfect sense to me, along with maybe a semi on Priestess, and any other hit either does nothing to affect them or makes them impossible to play. If you hit Priestess, though, there's still Dark Prophecies (except they're not too consistent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 I'm going to have to agree with Slayer. I dont agree with over hitting a deck which is mostly why I'v been so negative on the who'll hitting things that arn't hit already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted February 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 That's true. Alright, lets update the list! Banned:SanganWind-Up Carrier ZenmaityGateway of the Six (or Power Limited) (1 for Power Limited: 2 for Banned) Power Limited:Atlantean Dragoons (or Banned) (2 for Power Limited: 3? for Banned) Divine Judgment of the Spellbooks (or Banned) (2 for Power Limited: ? for Banned) Pot of Avarice Special Limited:Wind-Up Magician (2 for its current position)One Day of Peace (2 for its current position)Solemn Warning (2 for its current position) T.G. Hyper LibrarianInfernity Launcher (or Power Limited) (1 for Power Limited: 2 for Special Limited) Lonefire Blossom CeasefireBrotherhood of the fire Fist - Chicken (or unlimited) (1 for Special Limited: 2? for Unlimited)Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World (or Unlimited) (1 for Special Limit: 4 for Unlimited)Hieratic Dragon King of Atum (4? for its current position) Power Semi-Limited:Machina Fortress (or Special Semi-Limited) (2 for Power-Semi: 1 for Special-Semi)Karakuri Shogun mdl 00 "Burei" (or Unlimited/Special Semi?) (1 for Power-Semi: ? for Special Semi?: ? for Unlimited)Fire Formation - Tenki (2 for its current position)Madolche Tiaramisu (or Unlimited) (1 for Power-Semi: 3? for Unlimited)Mermail Abyssmegalo (or Unlimited) (2 for Power-Semi: 1 for Unlimited)High Priestess of Prophecy (or Special-Semi) (? for Special Semi: 1 for Power-Semi) Special Semi-Limited:Advanced Ritual Art (3 for its current position)Tsukuyomi (3 for its current position)Thunder King Rai-Oh (3 for its current position) Tour Guide of the Underworld Geargiarmor The Agent of Mysteries - Earth E - Emergency Call A Hero Lives Hieratic Seal of Convocation Pot of Duality Debris DragonSnoww, Unlight of Darkworld (or Unlimited) (1 for Special Semi-Limited: 4 for Unlimited) Newly Unlimited:Lumina, Lightsworn SummonerBlackwing - Kalut the Moon ShadowShien's Smoke SignalSporeMind Crush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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