[CORE] Igknight

[Jord200]

Konami put A LOT of thought into these. For some reason, that both concerns, and impresses me.

[Delibirb]

Am I the only one who is curious what all their lores are?

[The Highlander]

To add further spice into the discussion let us loo kat a few other cards useful to the archetype:

1.) Kuraz The Light Monarch

2.) (Mysterious Guard)

3.) Heart Of The Underdog

4.) Light And Darkness Dragon

5.) Beast King Barbaros

6.) Fusion Substitute

7.) Echo Oscillation

8.) (Alector, Sovereign Of Birds)

9.) Dragoons Of Drakonia

10.) Number 86: Heroic Champion - Rhongomiant

[Toffee.]

Konami put A LOT of thought into these. For some reason, that both concerns, and impresses me.

Apparently Wheellocks were a thing(I didn't know, shoosh) that also cause sparks to make weapons work. It's amusing because this Archetype also features a bunch of wheels. But at the same time, it's interesting to note that Grinders that are used for sharpening swords/etc are also in the shape of a wheel, so the wheels mounted on these guys could also be used to refine their own weapons. Or something like that.
...I'm over-thinking this Archetype.

[Blake]

To add further spice into the discussion let us loo kat a few other cards useful to the archetype:

1.) Kuraz The Light Monarch

2.) (Mysterious Guard)

3.) Heart Of The Underdog

4.) Light And Darkness Dragon

5.) Beast King Barbaros

6.) Fusion Substitute

7.) Echo Oscillation

8.) (Alector, Sovereign Of Birds)

9.) Dragoons Of Drakonia

10.) Number 86: Heroic Champion - Rhongomiant

1. Seems overkill when you can just... do that anyways with your scales. Sure you can pop monsters, but meh.

2/8. wut

3. Heart of the Underdog goes against the very searching. Yeah,draw power is nice, but it's inconsistent and you have up to 6 RotAs which make it less live.

4. i guess but it seems inconsistent, and it's not an especially strong card anymore

5. see above

6. Polymerization seems better for the sheer fact that it's more consistent.

7. This seems bad unless you're running Trump Witch for some reason, and even then mediocre because you're running Trump Witch.

9. Its name sucks and it seems like overkill when any other Ignknight does the same thing but better

10. already mentioned, Infinity and Basilitrice and Lion Emperor are also noteworthy for Xyz.

[Althemia]

Am I the only one who is curious what all their lores are?

They just describe their personalities really, that's about it.

[Toffee.]

Alright, I'm gonna' call bullshit about the lores.

Caliber:
The vigorous assault captain of the Igknights. His high vigor and spirit creating problems everywhere is a constant headache for his subordinates.

Riot:
A high level warrior of the Igknight. His dual-wield gunblades, which are capable of cutting at a wide range regardless of location, strike fear into the hearts of not only the enemies, but also his own comrades.

Musket:
The tactician of the Igknights, known for being calm, collected and knowledgeable. In reality, it just takes a while for the blood to actually rush to his head, and he’s always angry inside.

Dragnov:
A veteran Igknight warrior with a one-track mind who hates twisted things. Perhaps because of this, from time to time he questions his own weapon.

Eagle:
An impulsive and action-oriented Igknight warrior. His comrades call him "Bullet Eagle" all the while keeping a sort of distance from him.

Magnum:
A fire warrior capable of swordsmanship. His cold armored exterior hides an intense hot burning heart.

Caliber, I forget the kind of weapon he is holding, but if I remember correctly... They were prone to jamming. Hence the problems he causes.
Riot is basically an internet-tough-guy, but it's appropriate because riot guns are just stuff used to control riots. Or something like that.
Musket says it takes a while for the blood to rush to his head; This is because muskets took a while to reload the damn gun. Since, you know, you had to refill it with gunpowder, shove it all down, etc.
Dragnov, I'm betting he is a one-track mind character because his gun comes from Russia, back when it was a communist area. That, and it's a semi-automatic. I'm just guessing.
Eagle... I'm somewhat drawing a blank on, but I'm betting the fact that he is "Action-Oriented" and has his own signature nickname, it might stem from action movies. ALTHOUGH, it's interesting to note that Desert Eagles were in all the 2000s James Bond movies.
Magnum's cold armor and burning inner heart refers to bullets in general because they are an outer coating of metal that wraps around the explosive interior.

[Blake]

 

Now THIS is cute as fuck.

 

It can be NSd/PSd in addition to its effect, it gets back your Xyz'd/Fused from hand 3/4s, and it's a Level 6 for Basilitrice.

 

And its a FIRE Warrior, to boot.

[Toffee.]

Guys. Konami knew it all along. FIRE/Warriors have the most fun cards ever. These being able to toolbox them like fuck is just reinforcing this.

[The Highlander]

1. Seems overkill when you can just... do that anyways with your scales. Sure you can pop monsters, but meh.

You also trigger him if he is pendulum summoned and he replaces all cards he destroys.

 

2/8. wut

A random support card any warrior deck can use.

 

3. Heart of the Underdog goes against the very searching. Yeah,draw power is nice, but it's inconsistent and you have up to 6 RotAs which make it less live.

Never said it would be ideal, however it can create much advantage, then agian adding a huge luck factor into a rather consistent deck seems unnecessary.

 

4. i guess but it seems inconsistent, and it's not an especially strong card anymore

It can still stop a few cards and can destroy the opponent's setup, especially if one opens with this card, and getting the two tributes is a rather easy task for this archetype.

 

5. see above

 

6. Polymerization seems better for the sheer fact that it's more consistent.

Only that this card can later return the monster for an additional draw, unless of course he gets removed except by destruction.

 

7. This seems bad unless you're running Trump Witch for some reason, and even then mediocre because you're running Trump Witch.

It allows to turn scales into draws during either players turn, so one can get a +1 in potential advantage per turn.

 

9. Its name sucks and it seems like overkill when any other Ignknight does the same thing but better

True that he requires battles and Igknights do not want him to be in the pendulum zone to beginn with.

 

10. already mentioned, Infinity and Basilitrice and Lion Emperor are also noteworthy for Xyz.

Lionemperor is alright, Basilitrice is definitely a staple at 1-2, considering they are quite consistent in their setup (including more or less wanted levels, wíth searching at least one wanted level).

Infinity is, despite the fact it requires 3 spaces, definitely a staple at 1-2, considering its power and how easy it is to place it, not to mention the ability to negate multiple turns.

Exciton Knight, daigusto emeral and heartlandraco can also be quite useful and princess cologne to a certain extend with box of friends, if one wants to make a deck like that).

Volcasaurus, freezadon (because of lancer) and beyond the hope, as well as m7 might be quite useful to extend the possible options.

[Blake]

 

1. Seems overkill when you can just... do that anyways with your scales. Sure you can pop monsters, but meh.

You also trigger him if he is pendulum summoned and he replaces all cards he destroys.

 

2/8. wut

A random support card any warrior deck can use.

 

3. Heart of the Underdog goes against the very searching. Yeah,draw power is nice, but it's inconsistent and you have up to 6 RotAs which make it less live.

Never said it would be ideal, however it can create much advantage, then agian adding a huge luck factor into a rather consistent deck seems unnecessary.

 

4. i guess but it seems inconsistent, and it's not an especially strong card anymore

It can still stop a few cards and can destroy the opponent's setup, especially if one opens with this card, and getting the two tributes is a rather easy task for this archetype.

 

5. see above

 

6. Polymerization seems better for the sheer fact that it's more consistent.

Only that this card can later return the monster for an additional draw, unless of course he gets removed except by destruction.

 

7. This seems bad unless you're running Trump Witch for some reason, and even then mediocre because you're running Trump Witch.

It allows to turn scales into draws during either players turn, so one can get a +1 in potential advantage per turn.

 

9. Its name sucks and it seems like overkill when any other Ignknight does the same thing but better

True that he requires battles and Igknights do not want him to be in the pendulum zone to beginn with.

 

10. already mentioned, Infinity and Basilitrice and Lion Emperor are also noteworthy for Xyz.

Lionemperor is alright, Basilitrice is definitely a staple at 1-2, considering they are quite consistent in their setup (including more or less wanted levels, wíth searching at least one wanted level).

Infinity is, despite the fact it requires 3 spaces, definitely a staple at 1-2, considering its power and how easy it is to place it, not to mention the ability to negate multiple turns.

Exciton Knight, daigusto emeral and heartlandraco can also be quite useful and princess cologne to a certain extend with box of friends, if one wants to make a deck like that).

Volcasaurus, freezadon (because of lancer) and beyond the hope, as well as m7 might be quite useful to extend the possible options.

 

1. Yes, but that's still overkill. You're technically +ing, but... I dunno, I guess it could be cute, but it seems like it's not doing what you want.

 

2/8. yeah but it's slow as hell and doesn't advance you. and alector just doesn't make sense, tbh.

 

4. Yeah, but the worry is that it doesn't help bad hands, and seems overkill in good hands.

 

6. Yes, but this is where desperation is a factor. You can technically get more value from Substitute, but Polymerization can use hand advantage. It's not likely to matter THAT much, but you don't wanna get into the topdecking game and be screwed by dead-drawing Sub over Poly, which has more chance to be live.

 

7. Yes, but... your own scales do this. Echo Oscillation is most definitely a good card, I just don't think it's a good card here.

 

10.

Exciton is awful now, tbh, especially in a deck like this that gains advantage so much.

 

3 cards for Infinity

Rhongobongo

1-2 Basil

0-1 Lion Emperor

0-1-2 other R3

Utility R4/Warrior R4

0-1-2 other R6

Synchros (CWSD, Metaphys Horus, LEvel 8s)?

Fusions (2 First, 1 Nova Master)?

 

R5 does not seem worth it. Yuki Usagi/Rose, if you run them, dictate how useful/not useful the 5 and the 6 reaelly are, but R5s just aren't great, especially when there are few non-archetypal 5s to run. Even then, Tiras, Adreus, and Zenmaioh are the best of their kind.

also another cute thing nai pointed out:

[Toffee.]

I DARE YOU KONAMI.
I DOUBLE FUCKING DOG DARE YOU, KONAMI.
GIVE THESE GUYS A ROTA.

I MEAN, FFS, WE HAVE SUMMONER'S ART AND ROTA GOING FOR THEM. LETS CRANK IT UP TO 11 FOR EXTRA PRONESS =D

[Spinny]

I dont get why you guys are so fascinated by these.

They are boring as hell.

Consistent pendulums that have a wide toolbox and the same effects, nothing really special.

They have alot of cute techs, again thats not fascinating either.

These are going to be boring to get beaten by.

[Blake]

I dont get why you guys are so fascinated by these.

They are boring as hell.

Consistent pendulums that have a wide toolbox and the same effects, nothing really special.

They have alot of cute techs, again thats not fascinating either.

These are going to be boring to get beaten by.

It's the fact that they're so generic that they're cray elementals

 

Or, in english, they work in 'everything'.

[Toffee.]

Hey.... Hey guys.... You know how these can grab from the Deck OR Graveyard?

[Spinny]

It's the fact that they're so generic that they're cray elementals

 

Or, in english, they work in 'everything'.

Generic is boring.

The boring engine they use to summon the cute techs will still be boring and repetitive.

They are bland and stupid. The summoning system consists of controlling 2 cards, AMAZING SKILL GUYS!

[evilfusion]

I'm somewhat interested in them purely because they're a Pendulum archetype that doesn't seem to be broken to hell (Qlips seemed SO cool before people pointed out how stupidly powerful they were, and all my interest in them vanished), or have so many different things going for them that it's hard to build them (DD).

[Blake]

Generic is boring.
They boring engine they use to summon the cute techs will still be boring and repetitive.
They are bland and stupid. The summoning system consists of controlling 2 cards, AMAZING SKILL GUYS!

Generic isn't boring when you get to do cute things with it. Arguably, archetypal is more boring.

The engine is there, but that just means you do cute shot with its. It's bland desig just, but an interesting idea, as it puts deck building into the players hand... Granted after filling half the deck, but more than most archetypes.

[Slinky]

To add further spice into the discussion let us loo kat a few other cards useful to the archetype:

1.) Kuraz The Light Monarch

2.) (Mysterious Guard)

3.) Heart Of The Underdog

4.) Light And Darkness Dragon

5.) Beast King Barbaros

6.) Fusion Substitute

7.) Echo Oscillation

8.) (Alector, Sovereign Of Birds)

9.) Dragoons Of Drakonia

10.) Number 86: Heroic Champion - Rhongomiant

 

1. Um.. How?

2. No.

3. Maybe

4. No.

5. No.

6. Maybe? Regular Poly still seems better, especially when the deck can Nova Master as well off of a normal summon Blazeman

7. No. You need your pendulum shit to search and set up plays. Destroying them isn't going to help you. Even if you do get a draw out of it.

8.  Why the fuck is this a suggestion?

9. No. It looks good in theory, but being a beast-warriors hurts. Tenki can remedy but Beast-Warriors don't synergize with the deck, a Bear engine can be implemented though if absolutely needed.

10. Already been established.

 

tl;dr: You are severely overthinking things, and trying to apply scrub logic. Stop trying.

[Maeriberii Haan]

It's hilarious how well a Ignite HERO build flows in theory. I mean, you can freaking run 3 other RotA (E-call) and you don't even have to bother with AHL to SS mist, since the pendulums will do that for you.

 

Too bad that what it offers are pretty much only Dark Law/Anki. why goka must be a freakishly sucky card.

 

Also, mark my words. Give these guys a good S/T support or two, and they'll be broken in half.

 

I mean, the sheer option they have now that they can use effectively is mind boggling already.

[Spinny]

I'm somewhat interested in them purely because they're a Pendulum archetype that doesn't seem to be broken to hell (Qlips seemed SO cool before people pointed out how stupidly powerful they were, and all my interest in them vanished), or have so many different things going for them that it's hard to build them (DD).

These are more stupid than qlips.

They have access to so much more in the form of their toolbox.

Just the idea of being able to abuse the two most stupid designs in the game isn't fair (Pends and Xyz's). These guys will be on level with them imo.

[evilfusion]

 

tl;dr: You are severely overthinking things, and trying to apply scrub logic. Stop trying.

 

Honestly, I appreciate the effort, even if the specific suggestions are less than ideal. Trying to find more applications for the archetype as techs and such isn't a bad thing.

[Spinny]

Generic isn't boring when you get to do cute things with it. Arguably, archetypal is more boring.

The engine is there, but that just means you do cute shot with its. It's bland desig just, but an interesting idea, as it puts deck building into the players hand... Granted after filling half the deck, but more than most archetypes.

Yeah, I can see that making it versatile makes it cool.

But after a while there will be a best way to play them which will knock that out the window. Well, in the meta anyway.

I guess just being able to do whatever you feel like doing is nice, but i prefer archetypes that just have unique things going for them, I.e Venom. 

[Blake]

Honestly, I appreciate the effort, even if the specific suggestions are less than ideal. Trying to find more applications for the archetype as techs and such isn't a bad thing.

This.

Yeah, I shot him down, too, but you have to wade through the muck to find the gems, and you shouldn't shame someone for cute ifeas.

[evilfusion]

These are more stupid than qlips.

They have access to so much more in the form of their toolbox.

Just the idea of being able to abuse the two most stupid designs in the game isn't fair (Pends and Xyz's). These guys will be on level with them imo.

 

True. However, while I'm mildly interested in them, I'm very unlikely to actually buy them. The only Pendulum archetype that got me genuinely interested in the Deck was Black's Performapal Deck, although its use of Cyber Dragon Infinity was a bit saddening, if only because Infinity is so dumb. I think the Deck itself is brilliant, since I assumed Performapals were going to be anime main character trash.

 

Pendulum is one of my least favorite mechanics. I was skeptical of Xyz, but it grew on me, and while I like seeing Pendulum in the anime, my enthusiasm is far less when it comes to RL play.