Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Send 1 "Monarch" Spell/Trap Card from your hand to the Graveyard; draw 2 cards. You can banish this card from your Graveyard; reveal 3 "Monarch" Spell/Trap Cards from your Deck, have your opponent add 1 of them to your hand, also shuffle the rest back into your Deck. You can only use this effect of "Pantheism of the Monarchs" once per turn. Deck is neck to neck with m&m's This bugger needs to be limited or atleast semi'ed........creator god should not be viable, nor should a deck be able to recover from multiple CED nukes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 OCG has a lot of strong cards TCG doesn't, so i can't really judge it from my perspective in the TCG, but the card itself seems like it'll become another engine key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 OCG has a lot of strong cards TCG doesn't, so i can't really judge it from my perspective in the TCG, but the card itself seems like it'll become another engine key.Like? Most Monarch decks literally just run HFD over the TCG builds. Three Rota more than enough makes up for the lack of one duster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Is it bad that, whenever I see this card, my mind goes to: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Like? Most Monarch decks literally just run HFD over the TCG builds. Three Rota more than enough makes up for the lack of one duster.as a whole though, the way decks other than monarchs are run, and the differences in the way both sides play the game are all things to take into account for example, your side has access to shock master and the like, we dont'. the list goes on. the deck will be tier 1 - tier 2.5, no doubt, but until i can see it play against other meta decks under the rules of the tcg (not including places like DN) then i can't fully judge how much it will matter to the tcg. that's what i mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 is it bad that when the video goes into fast motion, it's because one of the players is drawing half their deck?card REALLY needs a opt clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 it's funking broken as sheet, and really the only reason the deck works as efficiently as it does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 This was why I said CED shouldn't go to three. The deck recovers so funking well from it. Not to mention Norlearas is actully easy as funk to summon now days. Panth is just the latest of many draw cards, the fact remains a third allure will ensure the deck can draw out 75% of their deck. Something has got to budge. Throw in Kuraz with its own draw two off Aither and the only surprise is why Exodi hasn't jumped on the deck yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 This card is 250% stupid. And unlike most cards that have graveyard effects alongside field effects this one magically doesn't have the "except the turn this card was sent to the graveyard" Seriously konami? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 It's so much better than allure it's unbelievable. It legitimately might have been playable even without the extra free search. It's crazy broken and should go to 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Not sure if it is the only reason why Monarchs are good, but it's definitely the main offender. It will get banned eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Ah...was wondering when the ban stream would begin...,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 This card is 250% stupid. And unlike most cards that have graveyard effects alongside field effects this one magically doesn't have the "except the turn this card was sent to the graveyard" Seriously konami?I agree; this thing is broken, after playing against Monarchs lately. Pretty much all of the times I went against this card (and it's been a few times), ended up searching either the Field Spell [in triples] or one of their other stuff; I've seen 2 copies of this played during a single turn. Essentially "mill support S/T; draw 2, then proceed to banish this and search again". ----If it did have that "except when it's sent to the Graveyard", maybe it wouldn't be as much of a pain in the ass to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Cards like this make me wonder if Konami smokes the cheaper one, we are in an age were powerful cards have some kind of restriction or drawback for being used.Spell and Trap Cards with graveyard effects usually cant activate that effect the turn they go to the graveyard, yet this (a draw engine) can?!. On top of that archetype draw cards have OPT and this can be activated as many times you can (with how consistent is the new support is actually as many times you want).Whats the point of having your opponent choose the card if i can reveal 3 of the same card and bypass this, also you can reveal another pantheism (really doubt your opponent will choose it byt just wanted to mention it). a "1 effect per turn and only once that turn" can make this card sort of balanced, it will apply very similar to "except the turn is set to the graveyard" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman Indra Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Cards like this make me wonder if Konami smokes the cheaper one, we are in an age were powerful cards have some kind of restriction or drawback for being used.Spell and Trap Cards with graveyard effects usually cant activate that effect the turn they go to the graveyard, yet this (a draw engine) can?!. On top of that archetype draw cards have OPT and this can be activated as many times you can (with how consistent is the new support is actually as many times you want).Whats the point of avin your opponent choose the card if i can reveal 3 of the same card and bypass this, also you can reveal another pantheism (really doubt your opponent will choose it byt just wanted to mention it). a "1 effect per turn and only once that turn" can make this card sort of balancedBanning this card will definitely limit monarchs, this card should either get the hard OPT in the hardest way or get to 0. Konami just gave them a mini-consistent engine which also provides them floodgates in the same turn. Dunno how they will do on the tcg side. but i see this card either get swinged on the ban hammer or opt the sheet out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 The card doesn't even exist yet and people are already talking about list position wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 The card doesn't even exist yet and people are already talking about list position wtfBecause it is tearing sheet up in the place where it does exist. Though OCG cannot be used as a direct analogue for TCG, it is reasonable to use it for a theoretical proving ground. Monarchs have proven themselves.a "1 effect per turn and only once that turn" can make this card sort of balanced, it will apply very similar to "except the turn is set to the graveyard"Banning this card will definitely limit monarchs, this card should either get the hard OPT in the hardest way or get to 0. Konami just gave them a mini-consistent engine which also provides them floodgates in the same turn. Dunno how they will do on the tcg side. but i see this card either get swinged on the ban hammer or opt the sheet out of it. This is not how errata works. At all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Banning this card will definitely limit monarchs, this card should either get the hard OPT in the hardest way or get to 0. Konami just gave them a mini-consistent engine which also provides them floodgates in the same turn. Dunno how they will do on the tcg side. but i see this card either get swinged on the ban hammer or opt the s*** out of it.We will have to wait how well the deck does in TCG, but i agree that a card like that cannot be at 3, their field spell (even though tcg doesnt have it) it reminds me to djinn releaser. A casual/rouge deck with a floodgate can be played around, but what happens when a former non meta deck or type of deck with a one side floodgate becomes meta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Because it is tearing s*** up in the place where it does exist. Though OCG cannot be used as a direct analogue for TCG, it is reasonable to use it for a theoretical proving ground. Monarchs have proven themselves. This is not how errata works. At all.What i meant was that konami should have made the card more restricted, i wasn suggesting an errata. The hard OPT was just what i think the card should have to not be busted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 You know....limiting a card is basically a hard OPTThe card doesn't even exist yet and people are already talking about list position wtfSomeone give this kid a medal. Indra don't be autistic, that's not how Konami erratas cards and they won't start now. Going 3->0 is reserved for format warping single cards. Ptolo was in every deck Noden was in every deck This is one damn deck and arguably not the best card even. Should it be limited? Yeh, cause once M&m's and BA get hit Monarchs will need a consistency hit too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Because it is tearing sheet up in the place where it does exist. Though OCG cannot be used as a direct analogue for TCG, it is reasonable to use it for a theoretical proving ground. Monarchs have proven themselves. But Clownblade didn't become anything on TCG land. So yeah, too early to call for list placement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 But Clownblade didn't become anything on TCG land. So yeah, too early to call for list placement.Clown blade wasn't a thing in OCG either. The meta was always heros, atlantean and nekroz, later magican pendulum and m&m's something coming in behind infernoids isn't a "thing" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 It's a very strong card, no doubt, and the MVP in Monarchs, but what is with folks just freaking out about this stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 imo it's okay to predict something will/should get banned. I mean this is meant to discuss the card so if you think it won't/shouldn't get banned, instead of saying people shouldn't say it'll be banned, explain why you disagree. Kinda pointless to have a cycle of "Ban it" and "It's too early to say".Though the "Ban it" side needs to give reasons too. Uuuuuh, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 But Clownblade didn't become anything on TCG land. So yeah, too early to call for list placement.What card for monarchs do you expect to be banned before this is released? And I wasn't saying to ban it, I was just pointing out the flaw in the "this card doesn't exist" argument. Also, clownblade, while not tier one, saw a decent amount of play nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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