Simping For Hina Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Honestly, this discussion doesn't need to be had, nor did it ever have to. If anything, it should be in PMs so that Dae can't get off on it.You underestimate my powers of get off to things. I can get off to the lack of things, too, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 We got all the veterans together to tell off a squeaker who needs telling-off. Let us enjoy it a little longer.Hey man, if that's how you find joy in life, don't let me stop you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Um...it means lesser in importance. How is this important in any way? Draco there's a ton on the site that technically people could find a way to bring to court, always has been from what people have said. And that leads us neatly back to the point where you asked whether the 8 year olds were the bigger problem. No, they are not. Site policy is, as is the lax attitude of some members towards inappropriate content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahrheit Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Um...it means lesser in importance. How is this important in any way? Draco there's a ton on the site that technically people could find a way to bring to court, always has been from what people have said.That's exactly my point. Back in the day, things were handled quite swiftly and clearly. There were clear standards and an understanding of what the duties of the team were. In fact, for quite a while, you could not even say a certain member's name without getting banned. They kept a tight ship, and they were quite good at it. The occurrence of negligence en masse is not excuse for negligence. It just means it's going to be a lot easier to bring a tort suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Welcome back bud, always nice seeing you around. I've always been iffy on the fuckery regarding j-max to be honest. When it happened I didn't really give a single funk because I was either not a mod at the time or that was still during the early stages of it while I was still focusing solely on Showcase. Truth is I always considered j-max to be one of the incompetent mods of that era, I had some problems with the way he and some other mods handled sheet, though I don't mind him as a person. I actually think he's a decent dude and he's been nice to me regardless of the few disputes, so in that regard he's cool in my book. When it came time to unban him however I had become a super mod and it was ultimately my decision whether to keep him banned or not. Personally, I would have kept him banned because in my opinion regardless of the harshness, he shouldn't have been funking around, especially given the fact that he had been staff. Furthermore, we had been showing far too much leniency for stupid sheet and allowing people way too many free passes that it was basically becoming a funking joke. Couple that with the fact that literally no one had a good enough reason to actually unban him, it was mostly just fueled by the fact that everyone wanted to undo the sheet that Frunk and Crab decided, basically just "getting back" at them. Ultimately it was still my decision and I felt as though keeping him banned in an effort to show "strength", was essentially me being no better than the trigger-happy mods who made the member-base resent staff. I actually like Frunk, and contrary to popular belief, he was a good mod (most of the time) who did a lot for this site. Though while I do agree with the decision to ban j-max on accounts of pornography and overall stupidity, I don't think Frunk/Crab and the rest of the mods at that time were in the right for being overwhelmingly authoritarian. So I unbanned the funk. I actually wrote a lot more than this, but then I branched off and started contrasting moderation then and now and how memberbase fluctuation plays a role in this, it's actually something that I'd want to have a conversation about but I don't think this shitfest of a thread is the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Don't remind me. It's my 10th anniversary in 5 months! :/ Ironic for different reasons, I believe. How have I flamed? Again, you started that when I asked you to justify your position. You could not without attempting to diminish me and my "e-peen". I have not and will never accept that J-Max deserves to be allowed to be a part of this community. But you said earlier I had no one to defend me. Not one person is here even agreeing with you, and you can't see the words I've put in front of you several times now.Not you, don't worry. You've been non-flamey. I'm not sure what it was I started, that you're referring to.Yes that's my point. You can't accept people thinking your decision wasn't sound.Thing is. J-Max was allowed back. Meaning, obviously people agreed it wasn't a good decision. That's the facts. Just because they happen not to be in this thread right now, doesn't mean they don't exist.You literally brought Draco INTO the thread, so that's sort of an unfair argument. But I do agree we're too lax. I do think there are certain things that are iffy, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 And that leads us neatly back to the point where you asked whether the 8 year olds were the bigger problem. No, they are not. Site policy is, as is the lax attitude of some members towards inappropriate content. "Inappropriate content" is becoming quite a lax subject as it is. You look at most of the young folk today and two things come to mind: 1. They've already heard and seen it all and no longer care.2. They're about to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahrheit Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Frunk's decision was sound. Night just admitted it was sound and it was only overturned on an exceptional whim. You have no claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 That was really interesting to read, Night. Thanks for the input. I can see WHY it was considered wrong back then but I also feel that it was a bit too snap-judgment-y from what you've told me about it so far, Frunk. That's not exactly what he said, Draco. He did say it was sound but also said that"I don't think Frunk/Crab and the rest of the mods at that time were in the right for being overwhelmingly authoritarian."It's not totally one sided.It's perfectly logical to be on either side, please don't claim otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahrheit Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 It really is a very clear issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 It really is a very clear issue.Clearly not, for our friendly neighborhood cow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 It really is a very clear issue.A clear issue and yet he was allowed back. Be it because of belief that Crab/Frunk were harsh, or otherwise, he was brought back. That means that, according to the first rule Frunk brought up earlier, it was fine. Guys, I've been insulted how many times during this? This is fascinating, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahrheit Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Clearly not, for our friendly neighborhood cow.Cow is like Menlove in Vaughan v. Menlove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tkill93 Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Don't remind me. It's my 10th anniversary in 5 months! :/It's beautiful. If your account was a child he'd be preparing for puberty and making his first s*** posts on YCM. I can see it now, he would look up at you with kind eyes and say "Daddy! I just made a post on the internet!"And you would smile and look down at the computer screen. "Mediocre King Moo" was his user name. You saw him arguing in a thread in which he clearly had no idea what he was talking about. So you would gently whisper in his ear "No my child... you are not ready." Then smack him in the head and make him wait until he's old enough to use the internet without looking like an idiot all the time. :^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 This thread is funking hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enguin Enguin Enguin Enguin Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 When I set out with the simple aim of making a joke thread that sought the unbanning of rag I never envisioned it would become such a spectacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I'm not at liberty to say how much I know of the good old times, but this has gotta be one of the best throwbacks I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahrheit Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I'm not at liberty to say how much I know of the good old times, but this has gotta be one of the best throwbacks I've ever seen.It's because we have a secret conspiracy to all show up and ridicule posters who are out of line. These are the Old Ways. The tradition is sacred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Guys, I've been insulted how many times during this? This is fascinating, to be honest. Welcome to YCM, Lord Cow, where trolls run rampart, swear words are fine and you can get your ecchi fix. Stay safe out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I honestly came into this thinking of learning why Frunk did what he did and how it played out. Which I did. Then I decided to say how I felt about the matter.Which seemed to result in several older/inactive members returning to cheer on Frunk, literally as Draco said... We got all the veterans together to tell off a squeaker who needs telling-off. Let us enjoy it a little longer.Which is interesting, to see. That because I disagreed, and tried to explain why I did, that it warranted this. I don't quite understand why.Is it really that bad that I disagreed? I never thought he shouldn't be punished, evidently he was being an idiot. But, like, in my eyes perma banning is when you know they won't get better. Which is quite a leap to take based on something Frunk admitted was partially semantics. I am unsure why me stating my opinion means that I'm being argumentative. I felt like I was being fairly civil, what with the insults heading my way throughout. I suppose more or less....Sheesh, glad my opinion matters so much to people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahrheit Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Go take a break. It'll be good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 "Inappropriate content" is becoming quite a lax subject as it is. You look at most of the young folk today and two things come to mind: 1. They've already heard and seen it all and no longer care.2. They're about to. Sorry, I missed this. So because they can see it anywhere else, we should have no standards? Thank God I wasn't born 10 years later. What a world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahrheit Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Also, the thing about the conspiracy was a joke. Don't be that paranoid. The world isn't coming after you, you're just that wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Off the top of my head... Goose just for being associated with members the mods didn't like or some similarly dumb reason. Rod, initially for being involved in a controversial loli thread in C&O that drove the mods into some sort of paranoid pedo witchhunt, then for pulling some strings to evade the ban to post a scathing thread about the banning mod and YCM in general. The post was deleted, but not before a former member copy+pasted it on his blog and some unscrupulous social outcast managed to screencap it. J-Max for being involved in the same loli thread with Rod, but the initial ban was only for a week for flaming and threatening a former (and useless) mod named Frunk, who came here for the first time in forever just to publicly bully and abuse J-Max for being involved in same thread. Crab Helmet then responded to the ban (and Frunk's abusive behavior) publicly by making it permanent for pedophilia. I don't really know anything about Draco or his banning besides some weird screencaps I saw on another site a few years back. Halu for posting NSFW monster pics. He somehow found his way back here with an unbelievably bullshit story about amnesia and I guess the mods just looked the other way for some reason. Red W Mage multiple times for trolling. Auto-Life was a thing. Unfortunately, St. Ivalice started outsourcing to vieras for cheaper Red Mage labor so he was out of a job and hasn't been seen since. Banterbus because no one can appreciate his light-hearted humor. Though, he finds his way around bans easily because there's no stops on the Banterbus. Is there anyone else's dirty laundry I haven't aired out yet?Me for calling Klav out as the jabroni basket he was Compliments to Nai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 "Hey some kid is badmouthing me on the internet!" "Don't worry I got the rest of the gang on speed dial" "Yeah let's teach this punk a lesson" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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