[TDIL] Subterrors

[The Nyx Avatar]

Which is poor reasoning, considering how Dracoslayers alone isn't a functional deck, yet look what was hitting Tier 1 so often.

And that's a non-sequitur.

 

Dracoslayers are more of tech(s), as there's two, maybe three Main Deck ones, with the other three being from the Extra Deck. They have something to offer to other Decks/archetypes. What does this have to offer other Decks/archetypes. Not a whole lot so far.

[Blake]

And that's a non-sequitur.

 

Dracoslayers are more of tech(s), as there's two, maybe three Main Deck ones, with the other three being from the Extra Deck. They have something to offer to other Decks/archetypes. What does this have to offer other Decks/archetypes. Not a whole lot so far.

uwotm8

 

You generally ran 4-5 Dracoslayers, 3 spells, and 2-4 Dracoverlords as an engine

 

That's not a tech. That's an engine.

[The Nyx Avatar]

uwotm8

 

You generally ran 4-5 Dracoslayers, 3 spells, and 2-4 Dracoverlords as an engine

 

That's not a tech. That's an engine.

Even so, it's not a proper direct comparison to this archetype.

[VCR_CAT]

Even so, it's not a proper direct comparison to this archetype.

 

The "comparison" is to show that even though a given theme may not work very well completely on its own is no grounds to say that the hybrid builds will be bad by any means. Dracoslayers is an example to show that even if Subterrors are bad as a pure deck is no solid point to say that the hybrid builds will be bad as well. I mean, like I've said many times before; these cards show a lot of promise for the deck by what they are and what they do and what they could possibly work with.

[Jord200]

Noble Knights were King Arthur's Knights of the Round Table

 

Kozmos were Wizard of Oz meets Star Wars

 

Burning Abyss were Dante's Inferno

 

Kaiju were Godzilla

 

Elder Gods were H.P. Lovecraft

 

 

 

 

What are these supposed to be?

 

 

 

 

Also Lunalights are Sailor Moon and DDD are Persona. 

[玄魔の王]

I love watching people jude a deck on only 2 cards.

[Delibirb]

I like the theme they have in place with these two, so I'm excited to see where they take them. Hopefully we get 1 more monster in this set to get a better hint at how well they interact with each other. But ultimately, though it is probable they'll all be quite powerful, the rest of the S/T support will make or break them.

[Toffee.]

Which is poor reasoning, considering how Dracoslayers alone isn't a functional deck, yet look what was hitting Tier 1 so often. Don't discount hybrid decks just because one side doesn't function on its well.

Honestly, I really wasn't ragging on hybrid Decks or anything like that.

Just...

If the Deck is "destined to run the format", then the Subterror side should both function by itself, and with other Decks, which is what I'm getting at. Plus, Burning Abyss and Kozmo are also like that.

(Not so much with the former because of the name gimmick, but still)

[Armoire]

I like how flipping Rocks is becoming a thing again. Excited to see the rest of the archetype and how it interacts; it looks really interesting and could lead to a really different playstyle. I am also hoping that monsters will be a variety of Levels, mostly 4 or under, to ease summoning them, in case they all have  a "When a face-up monster you control is flipped face-down, if you control no face-up monsters: You can Special Summon this card from your hand in Defense Position."  as a summoning condition.

 

On a side note, the art on both cards looks amazing, especially the Field Spell's. Is this theme based off of anything?

[notcleverusername]

Hybrid point is probably better to mention Metalfoes on OCG-side who are actually worse when run pure

That being said as a speculation I doubt mixed versions would be too useful

Shaddolls aren't exactly super-consistent anyways and Prediction Princess arguably even less so, the deck doesn't seem to be super-generic so mixes would prob be kinda awkward unlike Metalfoe

 

I love watching people jude a deck on only 2 cards.

I love seeing how high in the air a nose can go

Wild Mass Guessing is always fair game so long as people remain self-aware

[玄魔の王]

I love seeing how high in the air a nose can go

Wild Mass Guessing is always fair game so long as people remain self-aware

Wild mass guessing is one thing, declaring an archetype sheet with only 2 cards known is short-sighted.

[Kaiji]

With the exception of

 

 TCG's biggest failure

 

I think everyone in the thread is being fairly optimistic about the deck or at least understands only time will tell with the remaining support ie self-aware

[玄魔の王]

With the exception of

 

 

I think everyone in the thread is being fairly optimistic about the deck or at least understands only time will tell with the remaining support ie self-aware

Except people calling it the Noble Knight equivalent etc.

[Blake]

when someone adds an over the top smiley, it generally means sarcasm

[Progenitor]

>tfw Anger Earthenware almost instantly becomes relevant

 

Well maybe, idk.  If all of them have effects that revolve around you having everything face down then Earthenware may not be worth it, but then again it very well may be.  Looking forward to how this archetype plays out

[notcleverusername]

Except people calling it the Noble Knight equivalent etc.

Need a tuneup of your joke meter

Main takeaway you SHOULD have gotten from that post is that the things shown so far don't really suggest super-strong either, though it includes a Wild Mass Guessing about a potential bottleneck for plays

 

 

Aside from that post I think most others were mostly optimistic?

Even my post was extremely hedged to account for, yes, that we only have 2 cards right now

[VCR_CAT]

Need a tuneup of your joke meter

Main takeaway you SHOULD have gotten from that post is that the things shown so far don't really suggest super-strong either, though it includes a Wild Mass Guessing about a potential bottleneck for plays

 

 

Aside from that post I think most others were mostly optimistic?

Even my post was extremely hedged to account for, yes, that we only have 2 cards right now

 

Gonna be honest, you have little to no grounds for saying that the deck will bottleneck by any means. AT THE MOMENT it may seem that way, but until we know for certain that there's only one or two monsters that kickstart plays we have no way of knowing how hard the deck will bottleneck.

 

My grounds for saying that the theme has a high probability of being good lies in how well it immediately seems to synergize with existing cards such as Tarotrei, combined with the typing/attribute combo that shows the potential for a lot of level interaction. Not to mention, if the deck follows a Level 10 pattern and actually taps into the Rank 10 pool fairly well we're gonna see some crazy stuff.

 

I mean overall, I'm basing my judgments on the fact that there's a lot of visible potential right off the bat. The field spell's good and the monster's really solid; if that pattern continues we'll be looking at a really good theme. Is there room for the archetype to still be a steaming pile of feces? Absolutely, I won't discount that entirely. However, I think it's incredibly silly how quick so many people are to jump to saying that they're going to be "the next Noble Knights" after only seeing two cards.

[goodfusion]

The first 2 revealed are an Ultra and a Secret Rare. Ew.

[Toffee.]

Honestly, as long as the Deck doesn't auto-lose unless it can topdeck some oddly specific/unsearchable card, then I'm fine with anything.

 

Dino Rabbit had, well, Rabbit

Early Kozmo were dependent on E-Tele

Nobel Knights had Medraut with 1 RotA

etc

 

sheet like this will always doom a Deck, unless it gets fixed.

[~~~~]

Honestly, as long as the Deck doesn't auto-lose unless it can topdeck some oddly specific/unsearchable card, then I'm fine with anything.

 

Dino Rabbit had, well, Rabbit

Early Kozmo were dependent on E-Tele

Nobel Knights had Medraut with 1 RotA

etc

 

s*** like this will always doom a Deck, unless it gets fixed.

Speedroids have Terrortop :(

[Maeriberii Haan]

Speedroids have Terrortop :(

You mean the card that they always whored to another deck?

 

Not really sold on the monster yet, but the field is definitely something that can lead to good things.

[notcleverusername]

Gonna be honest, you have little to no grounds for saying that the deck will bottleneck by any means. AT THE MOMENT it may seem that way, but until we know for certain that there's only one or two monsters that kickstart plays we have no way of knowing how hard the deck will bottleneck.

 

My grounds for saying that the theme has a high probability of being good lies in how well it immediately seems to synergize with existing cards such as Tarotrei, combined with the typing/attribute combo that shows the potential for a lot of level interaction. Not to mention, if the deck follows a Level 10 pattern and actually taps into the Rank 10 pool fairly well we're gonna see some crazy stuff.

 

I mean overall, I'm basing my judgments on the fact that there's a lot of visible potential right off the bat. The field spell's good and the monster's really solid; if that pattern continues we'll be looking at a really good theme. Is there room for the archetype to still be a steaming pile of feces? Absolutely, I won't discount that entirely. However, I think it's incredibly silly how quick so many people are to jump to saying that they're going to be "the next Noble Knights" after only seeing two cards.

Again it's Wild Mass Guessing

It's literally the exact same thing you're doing when you look at facets that suggest goodness, although I think it's fair to say that I'm hedging my hypotheses a lot more than you are, I very much recognize the possibility that anything could change after seeing more cards

But as you have said, at the moment based on 2 cards there's a possibility it may be built with a bottleneck.

It's equally silly to think it's going to be the next BA/Kozmo after only seeing 2 cards.

[VCR_CAT]

Again it's Wild Mass Guessing

It's literally the exact same thing you're doing when you look at facets that suggest goodness, although I think it's fair to say that I'm hedging my hypotheses a lot more than you are, I very much recognize the possibility that anything could change after seeing more cards

But as you have said, at the moment based on 2 cards there's a possibility it may be built with a bottleneck.

It's equally silly to think it's going to be the next BA/Kozmo after only seeing 2 cards.

 

TBF, I never dropped that claim down. I actually came into this thinking this was the Kaiju/UA archetype and that SPYRAL was taking the spotlight.

[cardgameking]

Y'know, when you think about it, none of the TCG-exclusive archetypes have been 100% bad. Noble Knights were always a bit slow, given the equip spell focus, then were severely power creeped, if UA had gotten one or two more monsters with a level below five they may have been something, Burning Abyss are still important, Kaiju have purpose as great removal while Kozmo are absolute madmen. So saying that these guys are the new Noble Knights or the new Kaiju or whatever feels off.

The field spell seems great, searching and triggering flip effects (would have been even better, however, if it was during either player's turn). The monster is pretty nice. I wouldn't be surprised if these guys were a bit cloggy so extra draw power is awesome. The re-setting effect feels kinda slow though, and the summoning effect would seem to encourage not using many other non-archetypal monsters. If these guys are xenophobic, let's hope they'll get cool cards to compensate.

If these guys are all level 10, brillant. Dokidoki and r10nk just got life partners. If they've varied levels, it'll be more interesting. A level 9 means they can summon Pot of Taboos with Dokidoki and Ritual Summon thee Prediction Princess Ritual, while a level 8 or 7 opens up more draw power. If they get a level 4 or lower, it will have a dramatic impact.

A note about the lore/art... It seems the monster has just been discovered by some poor oaf in the bottom right hand corner, wonder what that is about. Also, shoot me if I make a mistake here, but didn't the description when these guys were announced mention them fighting a war AGAINST the Hidden City? Wonder what the flavour is here. Also, the details for Invasion: Vengeance mentions that they'll have a 'one-two punch combo', so lets keep an eye out.

[Tinkerer]

I know Ghostricks have been mentioned, but how about Geargia?  Don't a few of their level 4s have flip face-down effects?

 

...Then again, as of right now, there'd be like 0 Synergy, but...

 

Also, Book of Eclipse becoming something again?  Possibly?  It'd put all your stuff face-down to allow that SS effect.