Yeezus Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 We can rule out Blizzard because who the hell wants Vayu in the hand? Lol. Who Normal Summons Gale or Kalut these days? So, really, the only BWs that make full use of Whirlwind are Shura, Bora, Zephyros (who you only run 1 of), Sirocco, and Elphin (if you run those last two, lol). Gale is Normal'd pretty often. Sirocco should be run idk what people are thinking when they say he shouldn't be run. How can you genuinely be trying to justify that BWW isn't ridiculously broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Gale is Normal'd pretty often. Sirocco should be run idk what people are thinking when they say he shouldn't be run. How can you genuinely be trying to justify that BWW isn't ridiculously broken? Because #soraisbad Just kidding, but you cannot be considered to be good when you try to justify a card like Black Whirlwind or Wind-Up factory to be not something other than broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 [quote name="Zanda Panda" post="6262018" timestamp="1377287061"]Because #soraisbad Just kidding, but you cannot be considered to be good when you try to justify a card like Black Whirlwind or Wind-Up factory to be not something other than broken.[/quote] I never said anything about factory. And I didn't say that Whirlwind wasn't broken, just not that it's not the rage quit end all borked card that Big made it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 why should whirlwind be banned? to kill the deck even more, at 2 in the ocg after testing it wasnt that op. Like every deck has a recruiter almost so why should blackwings one be banned? and no dont suggest that if you ban it to bring back gale because that wont help blackwings. Malicious at 3 is fine with stratos gone, stratos was the problem for it being at 2 aswell. I don't give a shit about whether Blackwings are good or not. Black Whirlwind is poorly designed. Gale @2 or even 3 is actually fairly okay. Halving ATK isn't THAT problematic. They should be switched because that makes the most sense balance-wise, not so that it can help blackwings. That's terrible banlist logic. And the problem with Malicious was not Stratos. The searchability was just a plus. The immediate +2 was and is the problem with malicious. so does windup factory Absolutely flawless argument. BWW and Factory both shouldn't be around. I like this guy. I never said anything about factory. And I didn't say that Whirlwind wasn't broken, just not that it's not the rage quit end all borked card that Big made it out to be. It's not Gateway of the fucking Six. So what? I doubt you see the difference when multiples get on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 this list pleases me actually. feels like they are actually solving a few problems at least, and not just making token bans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:^) Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Honestly Number 16 really deserves to be forbidden, such a ridiculous card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 i dont see why whirlwind shouldnt be at 2/3 if the deck wont do good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 i dont see why whirlwind shouldnt be at 2/3 if the deck wont do good just because the deck hasn't done anything for a while, does not mean it can't do anything anymore. when people start focusing on a deck they like, a lot of unexpected combos comme into play. blackwings are also one of the decks that still has a powerful generic destruction card (Icarus attack). add in black whirlwind, and the sheer amount of blackwings that can special themselves, and you have a pretty good deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawkobo Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 I still think the board is where I'm most interested for this format. With all this DARK-based deck hype, I'm itching to put Shadow-Imprisoning back in alongside my dual Vanity's Emptiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 It's not Gateway of the fucking Six. So what? I doubt you see the difference when multiples get on the field. Then hit it to 1, which is where it probably should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Then hit it to 1, which is where it probably should be. I'd say 2 at least, the card is bad design, but blackwings have suffered enough, let them have their cake... for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 I'd say 2 at least, the card is bad design, but blackwings have suffered enough, let them have their cake... for now. 2 is a problem because dropping multiples of this card is extremely unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 2 is a problem because dropping multiples of this card is extremely unfair. while I agree with you on that, I also don't see the card as too much of a problem, because unlike gateway, you only can use it's effect on normal summons. the card is still pretty degenerate, but with all the new decks coming out, blackwings have lost Some of the force they used to have. whirlwind deserves a spot off the list for at least one season to see if blackwings are as much of a threat as they used to be, and while I don't think whirlwind should exist(I lost quite a few games when whirlwind was at 3 due to siccoro bora, and kalut, all thanks to the whirlwind setup) I do think it should be taken off the leash for now to see if it's as brutal as it once was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Whirlwind to 1/0 and Gale to 3 would be much, much better than BWW @3, and it would be as much if not more helpful to the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Whirlwind to 1/0 and Gale to 3 would be much, much better than BWW @3, and it would be as much if not more helpful to the deck. no way would that be any help to the deck whirlwind is much more needed to keep blackwings alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Leo Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 no way would that be any help to the deck whirlwind is much more needed to keep blackwings alive Gateway is good for Six sams so should be bring it back to keep it alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Gateway is good for Six sams so should be bring it back to keep it alive? Six sams don't need gateway to live, they need it to OTK. BWW is bad, but not gateway bad, after facing a few decks though, I can now say that BWW is a problem at 3. the card needs to be at 2 at most. At 2, it gives them a slight edge, but not enough to go stupid, they can afford to lose one, but they wont have that 3rd one to make reckless plays with off of if they waste their cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Gateway is good for Six sams so should be bring it back to keep it alive? gateway can be used multiples times in a turn and it works on special summons gateway is just an otk spam card if you draw it with like your 2 six sam combo plus something like kizan which is unfair whirlwind gives you a search once a turn if you draw what you can summon obv whirlwind is powerful but not too powerful to be at 0/1 like kalut needs a hit more than it imo, and most of the other honest type cards that are powerful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverweed91 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Lightsworn deck should be nerfed.3x Judgement3x Lumina1x BLS1x Sorcerer3x Solar Charge...That's freaking too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Lightsworn deck should be nerfed. 3x Judgement 3x Lumina 1x BLS 1x Sorcerer 3x Solar Charge ... That's freaking too much. Please tell me you're kidding Granted, Judgment Dragon is a stupid card that shouldn't exist, but Lightsworn as a deck themselves needing a nerf is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 That's pretty much true. Judgment Dragon was one of the worst designs, just below Book of Judgment and the Chibis. Hell, it's existance alone is what stops Charge from being @3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Well guess what guys... Lightsworn are getting 3 new cards in the Japanese Duelist Set (as well as Ancient Gears) And we all know what cards came out in the last Duelist Sets... ... ... (in case you didn't know: Sombre and Kerykion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Yay! And yes, I'm being serious. This means that LS'll finally can have another win condition other than JD, and Konami can finally pass the judgment to Judgment Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawkobo Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Lightsworn deck should be nerfed. 3x Judgement 3x Lumina 1x BLS 1x Sorcerer 3x Solar Charge ... That's freaking too much. It's about as much as losing Card Destruction killed Dark Worlds. Which isn't at all, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverweed91 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I'd be perfectly OK if they banned JD and let all other LS cards 3x. But right now that deck relies a bit too much on luck (id est: if you have 3 JD in your hand at the right time, you win unless the opponent has cards like Divine Wrath, Effect Veiler, Gorz/Tragoedia, Swift Scarecrow or similar.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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