[TCG] September 2013 Banlist

[DarkWithin9867]

Whoa, Offering got hit?! NOBODY (except me) USED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

A little late of a reaction, but meh.

[Sander]

Whoa, Offering got hit?! NOBODY (except me) USED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

A little late of a reaction, but meh.

 

Yeah, because Madolche and Gadgets weren't used by people. No, they weren't a thing at all.

[DarkWithin9867]

They weren't. They were so heavily overshadowed by other cards that nobody cared >_>

[Kazooie]

They weren't. They were so heavily overshadowed by other cards that nobody cared >_>

 

Um... They might not have been topping things very often, but they were certainly used.

 

Offering is a horribly designed card anyway, it exists to OTK really.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

You have to just love the sentimentality that "if it doesn't top, it's not worth it" that this forum is famous for.

[Maeriberii Haan]

I thought this forum is famous for its hardheaded egocentrical members?

[Aerion Brightflame]

I thought YCM gave a care about the design of cards when talking about the banlist more than other places?

 

That and most of the members are egocentric and/or arseholes?

[Maeriberii Haan]

Opinions are just onions, don't take them as facts. Also, on topic. Neither decks are unplayable due to the loss of offering, neither decks depends on it, and eventhough not a meta force, both decks are quite relevant in today's meta, as evidenced by tops.

[DarkWithin9867]

Um... They might not have been topping things very often, but they were certainly used.

Offering is a horribly designed card anyway, it exists to OTK really.

But if you screw up or the OTK fails, your opponent can do the same thing. It works two ways.

And I really only ran it in my deck based around March Of The Monarchs and my Heroics, where I made a 5500 rank 4 with trap negating abilities >_>

And that required a LOT of luck, having all 3 Extra Swords in hand.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

You honestly can't defend a broken card that literally screams OTK with "it won't work if you screw up".

 

If you screw up, then you're a terrible player and you deserve to lose.

[Blake]

But if you screw up or the OTK fails, your opponent can do the same thing. It works two ways.

And I really only ran it in my deck based around March Of The Monarchs and my Heroics, where I made a 5500 rank 4 with trap negating abilities >_>

And that required a LOT of luck, having all 3 Extra Swords in hand.

Uh, no it doesn't.

 

If you screw up, you didn't deserve a win in the first place, and shouldn't have misplayed that badly.

 

If your OTK fails, why didn't you have a contingency plan? I mean, this argument could be used for any OTK, saying OTKs are fine by this logic is just ignorant.

 

It's a horribly designed card that jut says "please OTK with me", and it adds nothing to the game that;s good.

 

No one cares about your bad rogue decks, Ultimate Offering had much worse implications in other decks, and thi banlist aimed itself at getting rid of OTK Machines/Winmoar cards.

 

If you have a problem with the game being improved because it hurts your deck, you should check yourself.

[DarkWithin9867]

You honestly can't defend a broken card that literally screams OTK with "it won't work if you screw up".

If you screw up, then you're a terrible player and you deserve to lose.

Or you got a bad hand, did a misplay, and faced someone who wouldn't let you take your move back.

And on another subject, a version of Reborn that doesn't touch your opponent's grave could be less broken, right?

Call doesn't count because it stays on the field.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

Even if you open with a shit hand, being able to adapt to any circumstance is the trademark of being a good player. You can't just say "oh, I can't OTK with this hand, it doesn't work, this card isn't as broken as you guys make it out to be". Then find ways to make it work. And if you misplay, just learn from that misplay and get better. But saying that a card isn't broken because you misplayed, had bad hands, or whatnot, is not a credible source to defend why a card is broken.

[Kazooie]

You have to just love the sentimentality that "if it doesn't top, it's not worth it" that this forum is famous for.

 
Since this is pretty vague. I really hope you weren't talking to me, since that's not even the point I was making. :/
 
I said they weren't topping and that it still deserved the hit.

 

But if you screw up or the OTK fails, your opponent can do the same thing. It works two ways.

And I really only ran it in my deck based around March Of The Monarchs and my Heroics, where I made a 5500 rank 4 with trap negating abilities >_>

And that required a LOT of luck, having all 3 Extra Swords in hand.

 

You should be able to adapt if the OTK fails, if you can't, you shouldn't have pushed unless you truly thought they couldn't stop you.

[vla1ne]

Badly designed cards further damage the game and should be hit whether or not they top. Not all of them deserve bans (I can think of some that are respectable at 1) but leaving them at 3 and sometimes even 2 is just begging for extreme abuse.

[goddamnit names are a pain]

With this new banlist, my Quickdraw Turbo (more commonly known as First Turn Quasar, to some) seems to be flourishing quite well. Compared to without this list, my ranking at a local tourney went up. And Royal Decree is more potent in my opinion this list.

[DarkWithin9867]

Decree can solve many backrow issues.

And I finally am able to consistently make a 10k Excalibur.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

I really, really hope the next list takes care of all the bullcrap we've been having to deal with, most of it since last banlist.

[The Warden]

Dark, Excalibur's eff specifies his ATK becomes twice his ORIGINAL ATK, meaning your Extra Swords are moot.

[Mugendramon]

Using Extra sword on excalibur is a waste though since it won't even apply after doubling, because it BECOMES double original ATK.

[titusfox]

is brain control in there? and if it is, take it out and put in change of heart!

[Flame Dragon]

As some one who has only taken peaks in at yugioh for the past few years I want to know, is this one of the biggest changest to the ban/limited list since it was first made?

[Sleepy]

Btw, this thread arises a question on me:

I see that other games have their own banlists, and even the ones that have rotation have some need of it once in a while.

 

How complex do other games get in that regard? Like, do limited/semi-limited cards exist in other games or is it just a Yugioh thing that cards are not all or nothing?

 

And I don't mean to include card that limit themeselves in their text to "one per deck" and such, but ones that legitimately need a banlist placement after creation.

[Flame Dragon]

Btw, this thread arises a question on me:

I see that other games have their own banlists, and even the ones that have rotation have some need of it once in a while.

 

How complex do other games get in that regard? Like, do limited/semi-limited cards exist in other games or is it just a Yugioh thing that cards are not all or nothing?

 

And I don't mean to include card that limit themeselves in their text to "one per deck" and such, but ones that legitimately need a banlist placement after creation.

 

 

I can only talk about MTG but their ban system is to greatly avoid banning things. In standard, the primary format, it almost never gets bans. The older format where more powerful cards can combine and interact has more bannings. That list has a small change every now and then. There it is either you can play 0 or 4, no or limits. FYI I find Semi and Limited to be very stupid.

[TFMegamanlan]

In Redemption CCG (the other card game I play... It's a Christian one) they never ban cards. How it goes there is that your only allowed 1 copy of most effect cards per 50 cards in your deck (min is 50, max is 150 so...) What the creators of the game do is when they make a set and the theme is topping, the next set will have cards made to counter the top deck's main strategy. There is a deck though that keeps on getting support and the counter strategies just keep on falling apart in the game, but the deck may finally be close to dying.... (Yay!)