Tinkerer Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 So before I began running the Red-Eyes/Blue-Eyes/Buster Blader.dek, I didn't know about this card at all. I didn't realize that all dragons were searchable. Could this be used anywhere effectively? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 At present, I use this for Hieratics and stuff (mostly to shuffle dead draws and get the 'mons that are either easily summonable).Yeah, they aren't competitively viable at this time. Not sure about other Decks that can realistically play this now, bar Buster Blader (I need to try it out in there to see if it indeed works). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 it's a -1 though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Faytl~ Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 it's a -1 thoughA minus 1 is not inherently bad. This acts as filter and let's you cycle out a dragon that, say, is better late game that you drew in your opening hand. Really tired of the "Minus 1, suuucks" mentality, sure it's a minus, but you're doing it to gain advantage and advance your damn plays. Hell, every Xyz, Synchro, or Fusion summon is inherently minus 1 at least. It's such a dumb statement to me, just saying something is bad because it's inherently a minus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 A minus 1 is not inherently bad. This acts as filter and let's you cycle out a dragon that, say, is better late game that you drew in your opening hand. Really tired of the "Minus 1, suuucks" mentality, sure it's a minus, but you're doing it to gain advantage and advance your damn plays. Hell, every Xyz, Synchro, or Fusion summon is inherently minus 1 at least. It's such a dumb statement to me, just saying something is bad because it's inherently a minus.How is a -1 gaining advantage? And searching on a -1, especially like this, is really weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Uh most XYZs synchros and fusions pay for themselves The Shaddolls are usually +1/2Basically every rank 4 is atleast a +1Stardust is a +infinity Inherent sure, but name me one easy to get dragon that will immediately net you +'s Not to mention ED monsters are more accessible than some spell that requires a level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 A minus 1 is not inherently bad. This acts as filter and let's you cycle out a dragon that, say, is better late game that you drew in your opening hand. Really tired of the "Minus 1, suuucks" mentality, sure it's a minus, but you're doing it to gain advantage and advance your damn plays. Hell, every Xyz, Synchro, or Fusion summon is inherently minus 1 at least. It's such a dumb statement to me, just saying something is bad because it's inherently a minus.Depends on the minus. Like Giga said, this type of minus is weak. Why? It's only good if it basically wins you the game... which this does not. Unless you search REDMD, but there are easier ways to do that. A GOOD -1 is Foolish Burial or One For One. Both give you something significant in exchange for their -1, which most likely will either make up for itself or accelerate you enough to mitigate it. ED summons aren't really comparable, as you're 9/10 upgrading either stats or effect. Some ED summons, though, are utter sheet for the effort, like Lavalval Ignis, which breaks your example. Cards like this give you a small amount of narrow acceleration... in exchange for squandering advantage. It's just not worth it. I mean, if we get a Level 4 centric Dragon Pendulum deck, then yeah, it's good. But why is that? It finds Luster Pendulum with any member of your archetype. There are no comparable examples outside of that hypothetical, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Had this discard instead of shuffle, it'll have a better potential to be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Faytl~ Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Honestly my post was more in reaction to a four word post. Great, it's a minus, ELABORATE. I'm not saying the card is good, it could in fact be a lot better, though as Black pointed out, being able to search Luster Pendulum is nothing to sneeze at, especially if the Odd-Eyes monsters it seems Yuya will use in the manga become a thing. Just don't come in here throwing out a buzzword and sitting on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Depends on the minus. Like Giga said, this type of minus is weak. Why? It's only good if it basically wins you the game... which this does not. Unless you search REDMD, but there are easier ways to do that. A GOOD -1 is Foolish Burial or One For One. Both give you something significant in exchange for their -1, which most likely will either make up for itself or accelerate you enough to mitigate it. ED summons aren't really comparable, as you're 9/10 upgrading either stats or effect. Some ED summons, though, are utter s*** for the effort, like Lavalval Ignis, which breaks your example. Cards like this give you a small amount of narrow acceleration... in exchange for squandering advantage. It's just not worth it. I mean, if we get a Level 4 centric Dragon Pendulum deck, then yeah, it's good. But why is that? It finds Luster Pendulum with any member of your archetype. There are no comparable examples outside of that hypothetical, though.I was thinking, and yes, this would be more oriented towards OCG due to triple bunny. Couldn't you use this a pseudo card trader to cycle out normal slayer to make bunny live? There might be better cards, but the +1 from bunny should offset the -1 from connection. Had this discard instead of shuffle, it'll have a better potential to be better.That would be broken. Old days Rejuv and Rulers would have offset it. It would have been selective grave dumping in Chaos Dragons. A better Foolish. Dump Wyvern. Add Black Dragon. Add CED/REDMD/DAD Broke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 You could, like, be a pro and use This to search Dark Armed if you returned a 7, and could go and play Dark Armed in the same turn.'Course, Dark Armed is Limited and that sort of situation is gimmicky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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