ÆƵ– Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 If you control a face-up Level 3 or lower WATER monster: You can discard 1 card; Special Summon this card from your Graveyard. If this card is used as a Synchro Material Monster, all other Synchro Material Monsters must be WATER. So, I'm still not exactly sure what threat this still poses. Anyone got anything to say about this fishy thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 oh god no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÆƵ– Posted November 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 oh god noElaborate, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Atlanteans and that's about it. Maybe Nekroz Synchro Engine, but that's bad in TCG cause you can't discard Hoban Could come back, but Nepty should prolly be limited first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÆƵ– Posted November 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Atlanteans and that's about it. Maybe Nekroz Synchro Engine, but that's bad in TCG cause you can't discard Hoban Could come back, but Nepty should prolly be limited firstBut my husbando only sends and fetches atlanteans. With tidal gone, this thing has no real reliable way to get into grave iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 But my husbando only sends and fetches atlanteans. With tidal gone, this thing has no real reliable way to get into grave iirc. I've seen crazy sheet, and people already run 141 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Fish FTK is still doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Fish FTK is still doable. Spark FTK is still doable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 I remember when people were all hyped because This could let Cloudians make Quasar.....But that lasted for like a whole 3-5 days and was basically never brought up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 this is one of those cards that wouldn't have much short-term impact if removed from the banlist, but would definitely lead to problems in the long term that could be prevented by not releasing this in the first place. there's already jet synchron for something generic anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 this is one of those cards that wouldn't have much short-term impact if removed from the banlist, but would definitely lead to problems in the long term that could be prevented by not releasing this in the first place. there's already jet synchron for something generic anyway.by that logic there's also Bulb. The difference is this card stays around. If Clown Blade can make XYZ's for free all day, why can't we have a generic tuner that can be resused? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Bulb is OPD while this is a loop card. Big difference here, and this card's not generic. As I've said, there's Jet Synchron for generic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 If Clown Blade can make XYZ's for free all dayyou mean that deck that was killed a banlist ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 you mean that deck that was killed a banlist ago?If your intention is to be narrow minded and only focus on TCG? Maybe, but lets be honest, with the way the TCG is making it's recent lists, they ain't gonna unban s***. And even in TCG, pepe, same argument stands, we have decks shitting out free xyz's with the clown, why can't have cost necessary synchros? Basically any deck can run the clown, not even true with borg Just hit atlanteans is all Bulb is OPD while this is a loop card. Big difference here, and this card's not generic. As I've said, there's Jet Synchron for generic. 2 Primal Seed is a loop card. Are any of those loops even good? Like Monarchs making formula isn't the end of the word, we're not in 2010 anymore. Quasar in Cloudia...let me stop you right there...who the f*** plays cloudians? Might I remind you when TCG first unbanned Goyo you all flipped your sheet. Relex, not everything is gonna end up like snatch steal, however the point is moot, the only thing that TCG seems to want to experiment with is which r4nk to kill next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 All things considered, you can't really say a lot of us were actually pleased by the most recent ban list. It was overkill to the max, and basically slaughtered a lot of decks we liked playing. I lost several decks courtesy of that list. Course, you saying that someone is narrow-minded is completely and utterly hilarious, especially since you said it to Giga. This thing is an OTK magnet, and pretty much loops for days. It's hardly generic, but given the BS it pulled off on a daily basis, I shudder to think of the pain in the ass could be with Atlanteans and/or Derpmails. Granted, I will agree on limiting that PoS Neptabyss, since, yeah, sending from the deck as a cost, fuckin' brilliant. Fact is, even with the likes of Hyper Librarian being limited, it can still cause a fair bit of mayhem if allowed to run free. Some things are put on the list for a reason, and this card now has even more different synchros and decks to play around with. Best not to take that chance really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Hyper Librarian's limit doesn't even matter, I'm pretty sure you can still infinitely Trish someone T1 with Coelecanth, although it's possible that with only 1 Symbol of Heritage you can't do it (although someone will probably find a way). Aside from that it's really ridiculously good in "derpmail" (rofl) especially with Neptabyss because opening this plus Nepta almost guarantees you can Trish your opponent with ease. idk if the card's as broken as I originally made it out to be but someone will find a way to make a combo with this card that means people will want it banned again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Even Clownblade at least has hard OPT clauses and although Rank 4 is most broad Rank in the game, it still is no OTK/FTK on its own.Fishborg is just ridiculous to be able to work multiple times per turn. During the 5Ds era, they were starting to fathom the idea that maybe their OPT wasn't enough anymore with growing "gets off the field" effects, and couldn't quite figure out how to fix that... Hence, we got Spore, Glow-Up, and Zephyros at Once per Duel.... Oh the short-comings of designers from a different era... Wasn't there a hard-OPT retrain of this? If so, I probably could figure out that's a little too slow to give Synchro Fish enough of their former glory back. They'd probably settle for a hard two-per-turn or even three-per-turn for fishies just fine... enough to make a Quasar at least.... but original Synchro Fish? Give them a second Librarian, and they'll give you two Quasars while assembling Exodia in their 15-card hands... A friend of mine even made a deck that focused on that saying it was an absurdly fast enough deck that Exodia didn't even bother him when he added it in as a joke... A single Librarian would still hold them up well, although you'd probably have to use it for your bigger Synchro before amazing much of a hand beyond recovering what Fishborg ate...I'd actually like to see someone build the good old fishie deck and test it out to see how it holds up in practice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 All things considered, you can't really say a lot of us were actually pleased by the most recent ban list. It was overkill to the max, and basically slaughtered a lot of decks we liked playing. I lost several decks courtesy of that list. Course, you saying that someone is narrow-minded is completely and utterly hilarious, especially since you said it to Giga. This thing is an OTK magnet, and pretty much loops for days. It's hardly generic, but given the BS it pulled off on a daily basis, I shudder to think of the pain in the ass could be with Atlanteans and/or Derpmails. Granted, I will agree on limiting that PoS Neptabyss, since, yeah, sending from the deck as a cost, f***in' brilliant. Fact is, even with the likes of Hyper Librarian being limited, it can still cause a fair bit of mayhem if allowed to run free. Some things are put on the list for a reason, and this card now has even more different synchros and decks to play around with. Best not to take that chance really. All things considered, most people are quite happy with the list. TCG did what it should have gradually done over the course of multiple formats. I would fault them for the crashlanding style hits, but it needed to happen one way or another. Now I called Giga narrowminded cause he seems to forget that the format that proactively unbans card is not TCG but rather OCG where "clown blade" is very much a potential deck. It's all fine and dandy to say OCG doesn't affect what he plays, it's narrow minded to say it won't affect movement of cards like Blaster. You do realize half the decks from that era are complete and utter trash today right? Maybe you can Trish, but without Brio, what are you gonna do, use that single Dewloren to make Trishula twice? Is that even worth it? Without multiple Hyper is cannot turn into a draw engine for Exodia or the kind. It might be problematic in Brokemails, but Nepty is a problem card all by himself. Now am I saying this card doesn't need an OPT? By god it does, but I also don't believe that in a post notice world that this coming back as is will break anything. Could I be wrong? Sure, but off what I'm seeing, even basically "free" synchros ain't worth it anymore. Sleepy, fair point on the Clown, Ice Cream has no opt though, and people are cutting out Trishula even though they run 3 Veiler and Bulb in a r4nk oriented deck. Really think the era of synchros is ever Trish or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Errata for hard OPT and it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Errata for hard OPT and it's fine.Don't even know if Konami will do anymore errata's people always jabroni about it one way or another. Even so 5d's era cards are really far off, they haven't even gotten through all the DM era ones yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Don't even know if Konami will do anymore errata's people always b**** about it one way or another. Even so 5d's era cards are really far off, they haven't even gotten through all the DM era ones yetThere are some cards that need it unfortunately (if they want to see the light ever again), although this can be easily fixed without stop being what it is supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Don't even know if Konami will do anymore errata's people always b**** about it one way or another. Even so 5d's era cards are really far off, they haven't even gotten through all the DM era ones yetThen a retrain that's this card with a hard OPT. And don't say Launcher, that thing's awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 I don't think OP particularly cares about OCG. In OCG, I would honestly be worried about its potential uses in EmEm, due to Chain making it so accessible. Also, as you said, Neptabyss would have to be hit first. This isn't even taking potential loops into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 In OCG, I would honestly be worried about its potential uses in EmEm, due to Chain making it so accessible. And what level 3 or lower WATERs do you recommend people play in that deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 This card is so nuts in merlantean (ive tried it in traditional with this: http://i.imgur.com/7NCZzTh.png[mainly just a joke deck] granted it has painful choice, brionac etc, but Nepta is main card that you need and painful choice can be replaced with foolish). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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