Azuh Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 ______ Considering DMG has to be on the field, and you have to put effort to get her there, it really isn't. Dumps DMG into Grave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Eugh. Will not let this anywhere near my album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Its Dark Magician Girl. The most popular card IN THE GAME. Who the f*** cares if its trash? Anime cards in general seem to be trash more often than not. _____ It matters because if you draw it, you pretty much drew nothing because her only useful place is in the deck to be milled by Prisma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Eugh. Will not let this anywhere near my album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 _____ It matters because if you draw it, you pretty much drew nothing because her only useful place is in the deck to be milled by Prisma. Or milled, or summoned by Reaper of Prophecy/Magician's Circle. There isn't too much it can do in your hand, but you can always discard it for something to make it live in some way, and you could -technically- summon it with Magical Exemplar/Magical Dimension, as horrible as that would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Eugh. Will not let this anywhere near my album. You realize you posted that twice, right? There is ONE card that MIGHT be able to make this easier if we get it in Dragons of Legends. Its a BIG stretch, but if they buffed it right...... The Bond Between Teacher and Student might be able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 This pretty much. Saying GOLDRAT is better than this? That's a bit much. Prisma makes it usable, and there is a healthy amount of Dragons that are good. Right when I was going to agree with Gyro about how the hate on it is a bit much I read this and I said never mind. Goldrat IS better than this. It REALLY is. Because Downerd Magician is a card for starters. =D But guys let's be honest they couldn't do THAT much to make it a good card. =\ So....why print it at all? Just to push the new pack. Because it's supposed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Dumps DMG into Grave _____ So, you mean drop Super on your turn. Prisma (1 card). Mill DMG. Super Poly (1 card). Discard cost (1 card) Steal opponent's dragon (1 opp card) Fusion for DK. Discard cost for DK's effect (1 card) Pop an opponent's card (1 opp card) You've wasted 4 cards from the hand to pop 2 of the opponent's cards on the field, plus whatever you ran over with the 2600 makes it 3, which isn't equal to 4. It's a loss the opponent will recover from easily unless they one of those "creative" trash decks. It's a loss you won't recover from because you basically tossed out your hand for a single monster, and when the opponent goes into the usual "sacky"/"skilless"/"you can't yugioh" combo, you end up without a boss or a hand. Dragon Knight is wasteful as sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Well, you can also get DMG out with Magician's Circle. Not trying to defend this card though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 I forgot Downerd exists. Let me rephrase my previous statement. This pretty much. Saying ILLUMKNIGHT is better than this? That's a bit much. Prisma makes it usable, and there is a healthy amount of Dragons that are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 I forgot Downerd exists. Let me rephrase my previous statement. This pretty much. Saying ILLUMKNIGHT is better than this? That's a bit much. Prisma makes it usable, and there is a healthy amount of Dragons that are good. RUM *shot* Dragons....are good...in...decks....that...use Prisma...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 I forgot Downerd exists. Let me rephrase my previous statement. This pretty much. Saying ILLUMKNIGHT is better than this? That's a bit much. Prisma makes it usable, and there is a healthy amount of Dragons that are good. Pretty sure there will be a point where illumiknight could FTK. And even then, it's a LIGHT/Warrior R4, which is a combination of really good stats. And it draws cards, although there are a couple non-generic R4s that do that better. But one of those is OPT completely and the other is a bitch to loop, especially without Brio. It's not a good card, but better than something that requires a shittier RUM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 You say Illumiknight has decent stats? Its DEF being 2400 and being revivable (for what that's worth) is the only upside to it. This girl has 200 more ATK, a more desirable Type, and is Level 7. Not to mention her effect nets actual board advantage, being usable on either player's turn for disruption, and is only limited by the number of cards in hand for said effect as opposed to being limited by Materials. You're also probably using a maximum of 2 cards to make it, as opposed to 3 you will absolutely need with Illumiknight. As a generic card, this is leagues worse than Illumiknight, but you're obviously not going to splash it into just any deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 You say Illumiknight has decent stats? Its DEF being 2400 and being revivable (for what that's worth) is the only upside to it. This girl has 200 more ATK, a more desirable Type, and is Level 7. Not to mention her effect nets actual board advantage, being usable on either player's turn for disruption, and is only limited by the number of cards in hand for said effect as opposed to being limited by Materials. You're also probably using a maximum of 2 cards to make it, as opposed to 3 you will absolutely need with Illumiknight. As a generic card, this is leagues worse than Illumiknight, but you're obviously not going to splash it into just any deck.Did you read the post before you decided to reply , at all? The stats I was referring to were mentioned before, which basic context clues would tell you. Rank 4 LIGHT Warrior. Furthermore, who cares if she gains board presence? She costs your hand at the same time, and she's not gaining you anything most times. On top of that, she requires running awful cards. It doesn't matter that she would "have her own deck" or whatever, because it's still a deck based on a terrible card that doesn't even really reward you, just gives you a medium sized Raigeki Break. And "Illumiknight will definitely cost 3" is bullshit and you know it. Wolfbark exists, as do others of that ilk. In addition, the only time this costs. 1-2 cards is when you're either using it off of Prisma or you're using Dragon's Mirror; the former means you're running a terrible pseudo-RUM and the latter means you're running an inconsistent fusion card for a subpar boss. If you summon that girl dead in your hand, it costs 3 bar pendulum. If you use Magician's Circle, it's a three card combo. saying a 3 mat WILL require three is a stupid argument. I'm not saying Illumiknight's good, but it certainly has merit over this trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Let's just hope Amulet Dragon's better than this, because at least that card has a decent base magician going for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 I agree the card is not competitively viable whatsoever. Though, the card seems to be getting a lot of hate in this thread. I still think the card can result in things that are at least amusing. I'll try to come up with something to test at YGOPro when it's available. So far from the top of my head: Prisma is still searchable and is much more likely to be drawn into at 3 if DMG is ran at 1, this at the very least opens up room for Sage Stone and Champion's Vigilance. Not even talking about Fusion Summoning here... definitely not that (although I'd try it at some point due to a "why the hell not?" situation). I completely understand people disliking it's competitive value, but bashing the collectors factor of it, or degrading just being collectors, is just jumping into the wagon of "sucxs a$$!!!!" and is just uncalled for. I'll get her at the very least for my Dark Magician binder, the very first non-random deck I ever played, which I still sometimes rebuild for fun and use against my brother for old times' sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 So.... http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/King_of_the_Swamp http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Beastking_of_the_Swamps Nobody thought of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 So.... http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/King_of_the_Swamp http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Beastking_of_the_Swamps Nobody thought of this? So you propose we play random.dek instead of baddmg.dek? I mean let's be honest if you have room in a deck for iffy cards like that (the first one is OK) you have room for better cards. I mean substitutes are ok but decks that can run this are ridiculously slow and put too much effort into just making one card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Super Poly exists. Besides, I'm suggesting it as a side thing. I'm also saying you don't NEED DMG for it, there is another way. I agree with you on the slowness part though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Magician Girl can be played through Magician's Circle, or whatever random Spellcaster support.Prisma can become Magician Girl, and is playable through things like Emergency Call, A Hero Lives, Summoner Monk, etc.Phantom of Chaos can become Magician Girl, and is playable through Summoner Monk, etc.Dragon's Mirror is a card.etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 I was tired when I was typing that, so I did make a few mistakes, but most of what I said still stands, as far as for what they. I don't know too many ways you can gain plusses to go into a 3-mat Rank 4 off the top of my head, and either way its effect is leagues worse than DMGDK. If you can't admit that much, I don't think you can be convinced of anything in this world. While my internet was down last knight I tried to build some concept decks for Lightsworn DMGDK and Hieratic DMGDK, but I don't know the base decks well enough to know the proper ratios. You just have to throw in Dark Magician Girl and Dragon's Mirror. There's also the Dark Prophecy route, as inconsistent as they are. In Lightsworn, you get to banish your Eclipse Wyvern for Dragon's Mirror and discarded for Lumina, Reincarnation, or Beckoning, and in Hieratics you can also potentially summon Five-Headed Dragon if you don't get the right cards for DMGDK, though of course that's sub-optimal. Oh, and King of the Swamp doesn't work, because it says "with the above Fusion Material Monsters" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 well at least the effect is during either players turn. i still shall look forward to making a legendary dragon deck with the anime cards :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Well, we finally get her and Timaeus as cards, so I'm not exactly complaining. If any of the Legendary Dragon Fusions can realistically be expected to be tier, it's likely the Critias Fusions, if they aren't nerfed too hard. Doom Virus Dragon is going to be nerfed so hard. I ran into that thing on DevPro (when it still had the Anime cards) and if you don't run any anti-monster removal / def lowering effects, it can't be defeated in defense position. Summary: 1600/2000 and autokills anything 1500 ATK or higher on sight. There is no way that is translating over 1:1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Doom Virus Dragon is going to be nerfed so hard. I ran into that thing on DevPro (when it still had the Anime cards) and if you don't run any anti-monster removal / def lowering effects, it can't be defeated in defense position. Summary: 1600/2000 and autokills anything 1500 ATK or higher on sight. There is no way that is translating over 1:1. Oh, they can very well print it as-is with its anime effect, because we don't have Crush Card Virus legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Oh, they can very well print it as-is with its anime effect, because we don't have Crush Card Virus legal. Unless they make it generic in terms of it can use any "Virus" card as material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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