VCR_CAT Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 I suppose Cardians can make it because of Inoshikacho, but eeehhhhhh, if Gokou has a banish cost then I'd be more willing to run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 DMoC! Why not? Not all decks can make Omega easily. Somone already mentioned Malicious, but something similar can be construed for Allure and suchit's a cantrip it's not a +1, it's a +0 with a cost that's only okay Burial from a Different Dimension, while limited, is instead:Puts them in the grave instead of banished (Usually preferred)Can also be used as disruption (it disrupts this, as well, and vice-versa)Versatile, in that it can choose 1-3, not just 3-1 but the -1 doesn't matter in the few cases you would run it, and this being a cantrip for doing the same thing but (generally) worse doesn't make it playable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 it's a cantrip it's not a +1, it's a +0 with a cost that's only okay Burial from a Different Dimension, while limited, is instead:Puts them in the grave instead of banished (Usually preferred)Can also be used as disruption (it disrupts this, as well, and vice-versa)Versatile, in that it can choose 1-3, not just 3-1 but the -1 doesn't matter in the few cases you would run it, and this being a cantrip for doing the same thing but (generally) worse doesn't make it playableThat's the key words tbh. There ARE cases like Mali where you would want em back in the deck. Or if it's something like DMoC and you're outa Reborn clones. Or Kozmos to a degree I guess. There ARE certainly uses for it in decks that can't auto-operate out of the grave as well Like an example I though would be putting some of the D/D/D cards back in the deck. You might at first glance think that having them in the grave is better, but in the case of something having the searcher spell up, it might be quite that cut and dry. Semantics maybe, but I do think there are enough scenarios where putting them back in the deck w/o the minus is solid Again not saying that you totally panned it, I'm just trying to state where I stand on it being used pro-actively And yes, the reactive examples you gave can be crippling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Thanks, Konami. I always wanted a cantrip that can shuffle my two banished copies of Malicious back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Thanks, Konami. I always wanted a cantrip that can shuffle my two banished copies of Malicious back.^^ This is basically what Return DAD has been needing to become playable again. Mali, Plague, DMoC, Chaos, DAD this card has a ton of used and I'm really kinda excited to get started on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 That's the key words tbh. There ARE cases like Mali where you would want em back in the deck. Or if it's something like DMoC and you're outa Reborn clones. Or Kozmos to a degree I guess. There ARE certainly uses for it in decks that can't auto-operate out of the grave as well Like an example I though would be putting some of the D/D/D cards back in the deck. You might at first glance think that having them in the grave is better, but in the case of something having the searcher spell up, it might be quite that cut and dry. Semantics maybe, but I do think there are enough scenarios where putting them back in the deck w/o the minus is solid Again not saying that you totally panned it, I'm just trying to state where I stand on it being used pro-actively And yes, the reactive examples you gave can be crippling... no, the D/D cards are better in grave. They have D/D Rebuild to recycle into the deck, and it's easily graved... yet it sees no play. That's a really poor example. The deck is not where you want your banished resources returning to, and Malicious isn't enough to sell that point. It's not a good pro-active card, overall. I said it does have potential use in PK, but that doesn't change that it's really not a proactive card. It's better as a "trap" than a spell. You want the things back in the grave. BfaDD is just better in most scenarios, which is probably why this is being made isntead of BfaDD moving up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 ... no, the D/D cards are better in grave. They have D/D Rebuild to recycle into the deck, and it's easily graved... yet it sees no play. That's a really poor example. If you have way to get the D/D cards back into the hand (which is what covenant+Avidity is) then you're better off doing that than graving the cards back Neither Burial nor Rebuild see play cause the deck can make Omega so easily that it needs nothing. Avidity is a nice little bump for decks with a lower ceiling or are more linear (can't make omega as easily) When Blue-Eyes start using Mirror this card could be neat and stuff. It's a neat card, calling it out as cantrip seems a bit harsh seeing it DOES have potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Uh, guys, ritual beasts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Uh, guys, ritual beasts?My fav yugituber was actually going on about this in Ritual Beasts. Of course, I've never actually used Ritual Beasts, so I dunno how good it'd be, but he did run through some cute potential plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 This wouldn't help Ritual Beasts. They already have a hard enough time getting on the field, and their biggest Fusion Monster is vulnerable to Yuki Usagi. This wouldn't advance the Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 This wouldn't help Ritual Beasts. They already have a hard enough time getting on the field, and their biggest Fusion Monster is vulnerable to Yuki Usagi. This wouldn't advance the Deck.Every had your fusion solemn struck? OFC it'd help the deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Every had your fusion solemn struck? OFC it'd help the deckAnd that's just one of the few problems the Deck had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 maybe in raidraptors? mimicry lanius banishes for it's effect, and isn't all that hard to banish one or two of them by turn 2 or 3, two of the RUM cards banish monsters alongside themselves when they use their in grave effects, and it still makes disruption plays against other decks. the deck searches and mills it's monsters with relative ease, so i could see this being used at maybe one or two there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 If this shuffled cards instead of just monsters, it'd be prime deck filler for use with Cupidity. But as is, it's just a recycle/disrupt for banished monsters with a Stellarnova Alpha-esque draw 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Um, so it's kinda neat with Machine-Dupe Cyber Valley *desperately tries to re-create Return DAD* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr47t Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Finally, more banished recovery... Kozmo can make this a pain in the a** though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Finally, more banished recovery... Kozmo can make this a pain in the a** though.No; in fact, more often than not, it's the other way around. You can shuffle some of their banished "Kozmo" monsters to disrupt their plays. Besides, Kozmo already has a significantly better banish recovery: Kozmotown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr47t Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 No; in fact, more often than not, it's the other way around. You can shuffle some of their banished "Kozmo" monsters to disrupt their plays. Besides, Kozmo already has a significantly better banish recovery: Kozmotown. Oh, I didn't think of this. :) Better side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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