Expelsword Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 It will stay, only if the effects of the monster that has an effect that equips will the equip go away, this is just a bug. "Suppose that the effect of a monster like "Dragunity Dux" or "Dragunity Legionnaire" has its effect resolve and it equips itself with a Level 3 or lower "Dragunity" monster. If the effect of "Skill Drain" is then applied, then "Dragunity Dux" can no longer be equipped with a monster by its own effect, so the Level 3 or lower "Dragunity" monster equipped to it is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard." Yes, that's what I figured. It must be old code that says "If Dux's effect is negated, destroy Dragunity cards equipped to it" Which doesn't account for the new Spear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Question on a weird situation I just encountered: I control only 1 face-down Shaddoll Beast and Shadow Games. My opponent Normal Summons X monster and then activates Creature Swap.If I chain Shadow Games to the Spell and flip my Beast face-up for the FLIP effect, do I get the effect or the opponent does because he/she would be controlling Beast before its effect activates? This is assuming the chain would be arranged this way: CL1: Creature SwapCL2: Shadow Games Games resolves and flips Beast -> Creature Swap exchanges the monstersThen Beast resolves in a different chain along the effect of the Shaddoll milled by Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Question on a weird situation I just encountered: I control only 1 face-down Shaddoll Beast and Shadow Games. My opponent Normal Summons X monster and then activates Creature Swap.If I chain Shadow Games to the Spell and flip my Beast face-up for the FLIP effect, do I get the effect or the opponent does because he/she would be controlling Beast before its effect activates? This is assuming the chain would be arranged this way: CL1: Creature SwapCL2: Shadow Games Games resolves and flips Beast -> Creature Swap exchanges the monstersThen Beast resolves in a different chain along the effect of the Shaddoll milled by Games.It activates on the side of the field where it was flipped face-up. http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/index.php?/topic/134857-mind-control-set-shadoll-and-sinister-shadow-games/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Say I pendulum summon multiple gadgets at once. Does anything miss timing? If not, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Say I pendulum summon multiple gadgets at once. Does anything miss timing? If not, why? No, they won't miss the timing. All the Gadgets are Trigger Effects that are being Triggered by the same action. They will activate simultaneously and will form a chain together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 I activate Compulsory Evacuation Device, targetting a face-down Shaddoll Falco. my opponent Chains a face-down Sinister Shadow Games as Link 2. The Chain resolves, and opponent sends his Shaddoll monster to the graveyard, and flips up the falco. Compulse resolves, putting the Falco in hand. Does Falco still get its FLIP effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobita Nobi Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 I activate Compulsory Evacuation Device, targetting a face-down Shaddoll Falco. my opponent Chains a face-down Sinister Shadow Games as Link 2. The Chain resolves, and opponent sends his Shaddoll monster to the graveyard, and flips up the falco. Compulse resolves, putting the Falco in hand. Does Falco still get its FLIP effect? yes you should get falco effect in the new chain since its already flippedsame case when ehren attack a face-down flip effect monster, the monster is flipped, then returned to deck before the flip activates,then the flip effect activate in new chain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 I activate Compulsory Evacuation Device, targetting a face-down Shaddoll Falco. my opponent Chains a face-down Sinister Shadow Games as Link 2. The Chain resolves, and opponent sends his Shaddoll monster to the graveyard, and flips up the falco. Compulse resolves, putting the Falco in hand. Does Falco still get its FLIP effect? No you won't. By the time it activates, it is no longer on the field (where it has to activate), and as such, it won't activate in the first place, because Shaddoll Falco cannot activate in the hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 No you won't. By the time it activates, it is no longer on the field (where it has to activate), and as such, it won't activate in the first place, because Shaddoll Falco cannot activate in the hand.Though it works with Ehren, which also moves it, so how is this different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 yes you should get falco effect in the new chain since its already flippedsame case when ehren attack a face-down flip effect monster, the monster is flipped, then returned to deck before the flip activates,then the flip effect activate in new chain This is wrong. If you look at the ruling:The effect of "Ehren, Lightsworn Monk" activates during the Damage Step, after the monster is flipped face-up but before Damage Calculation is performed.[1]By the time Ehren activates, the flip effect has already been activated. if Ehren returned the monster before it could activate, then the flip effect would not be able to activate according to the newer YCS head judge ruling. And since the flip effect has already been activated, Ehren cannot go back in time and reverse it, so it resolves normally. nvm, I looked at the wrong ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 This is wrong. If you look at the ruling:The effect of "Ehren, Lightsworn Monk" activates during the Damage Step, after the monster is flipped face-up but before Damage Calculation is performed.[1]By the time Ehren activates, the flip effect has already been activated. if Ehren returned the monster before it could activate, then the flip effect would not be able to activate according to the newer YCS head judge ruling. And since the flip effect has already been activated, Ehren cannot go back in time and reverse it, so it resolves normally.Ehhhh, since when did Flip Effects activate before Damage Calculation? Flip Effects activate AFTER it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobita Nobi Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 if an activation of set s/t or a flip summon of a monster is negated and then destroyed, would they count as destroyed while on the field?for card like mound of the bound creator or the /assault mode monsters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzyshot Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 If my opponent has a Daigusto Sphreez while I have a Evolzar Dalkka on the field could I activate Dalkka's effect during damage calculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 if an activation of set s/t or a flip summon of a monster is negated and then destroyed, would they count as destroyed while on the field?for card like mound of the bound creator or the /assault mode monsters No, if the Flip Summon was negated, the monster was treated as not being on the Field, so Semi-Nomis like Chaos Sorcerer or Synchros/Xyz cannot be SSed, even though they had been on the Field previously and then flipped down. If my opponent has a Daigusto Sphreez while I have a Evolzar Dalkka on the field could I activate Dalkka's effect during damage calculation? No. Sphreez's effect to reflect Battle Damage is a Continuous Effect and does not activate. Therefore, Dolkka cannot chain to that effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindupRabbitFan14 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Is this the correct answer to this ruling; If I control 2 Light and Darkness Dragon and 2 Doomcaliber Knights, and my opponent controls a King Tiger Wanghu, two Light and Darkness Dragons, and two Doomcaliber Knights, then what happens if I attempt to Special Summon a Treeborn Frog from my Graveyard? Assuming both players want to put LaDDs on the chain before Doomcal, and if there's multiple chains each player will opt to put their LaDDs in the same order each time.I'm going to bring back Treeborn as many times as I possibly can CL1 TreebornAll in response to treeborn's eff;CL2 My 1st LaDDCL3 My second LaDDCL4 My 1st DoomcalCL5 my second DoomcalCL6 Your 1st LaDDCL7 your 2nd LaDDCL8 your 1st DoomcalCL9 your 2nd Doomcal Your 2nd Doomcal negates Treeborn and all LaDDs fizzle, remaining at 2800/2400 CL1 TreebornCL2 my 1st LaDDCL3 my second LaDDCL4 your 1st LaDDCL5 your 2nd LaDDYour 2nd ladd loses 500 and negates treeborn, and the rest fizzle This repeats 3 times until your second LaDD is at 800/400, then 4 more so your other LaDD is at 800/400, and 8 times more to reduce my LaDDs On Treeborns 18th attempt to summon, no LaDD can negate it. You then have this nineteenth...CL1 WanghuCL2 LaDD1CL3 LaDD2CL4 yLaDD1CL5 yLaDD2Any further than this and you're just infinite looping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Treeborn Frog no longer works that way, in a more recent OCG ruling. Treeborn must actually leave the Graveyard in order to try to activate during the same Standby Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindupRabbitFan14 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 In TCG I'm fine though right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Probably not.TCG head judges over in europeland are starting to use the OCG rulings (like the one with Royal Command), so it depends on where you live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Can I Flip Summon a Gemini Monster and Normal Summon it in the same turn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Can I Flip Summon a Gemini Monster and Normal Summon it in the same turn? Yes. A Flip Summon is not counted for your turn's Normal Summon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 If Dandylion is detached for Meliae's effect and then revived by the same effect, do I Summon the Tokens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 No.Dandylion must activate in the graveyard, if it is no longer there at the time it would activate, it cannot activate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I control 1 face-down Pandemic Infection and a Kerykeion. I use the effect of Keryekion and my opponent chains with Breakthrough. Can I play around Breakthrough and get the effect of Kerykeion if I chain Infection to return it to the Deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I don't see why not. The effect already activated, and I don't think Kerkyion has the "This card must be face-up to activate and to resolve this effect" line. That should be a perfectly legal move. EDIT: Should probably note that you will not be able to perform an additional normal summon afterwards, because it is an Ignition effect and not something that just applies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman25 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Can I Compulse my monster back if it's been Solemn Warning'd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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