(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Cards designed to be used with the metagame should be used with the metagame. Card that are designed otherwise should not. Why is this so difficult to grasp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Cards designed to be used with the metagame should be used with the metagame. Card that are designed otherwise should not. Why is this so difficult to grasp?But why should they. I have literally not heard a single good reason why yet, it's starting to get annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Because that isn't what they were made for..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Because that isn't what they were made for..?I find this a very bad reason for excluding them, look up, I have explained why already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Polo Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I again ask why it matters, if you are only using a few of the cards, who cares if they aren't designed with the real game in mind or not?If I understand EVO correctly, it is a Yugioh started and designed from scratch.I.e, they design cards as if nothing, or barely anything of the TCG exists.They have their own boundaries and their own design options. For example, if they have their own ROTA. It is designed in a separate card pool, and its existence is only valid becuase their card pool does not acknowledge the official one. BUT if you merge the two card pools, the EVO card becomes overwhelming for the game (since now you technically have 2 playable ROTAs). Basically, think of all EVO cards as having an assurance certificate for the EVO "univrerse" only. Some of them break the game and some don't. Better we don't take the risk.EDIT: oh, did you start EVO? then why am I explaining this lol O_O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 If I understand EVO correctly, it is a Yugioh started and designed from scratch.I.e, they design cards as if nothing, or barely anything of the TCG exists.They have their own boundaries and their own design options. For example, if they have their own ROTA. It is designed in a separate card pool, and its existence is only valid becuase their card pool does not acknowledge the official one. BUT if you merge the two card pools, the EVO card becomes overwhelming for the game (since now you technically have 2 playable ROTAs). Basically, think of all EVO cards as having an assurance certificate for the EVO "univrerse" only. Some of them break the game and some don't. Better we don't take the risk.EDIT: oh, did you start EVO? then why am I explaining this lol O_OI get that there's an issue with these kinds of things. Don't the tournaments look at the Deck and make sure there aren't any problem cards? There should not be an issue with similar cards like that, since you can just ban the cards which have the issues. I still see no good reason to ban every single card from the tournament scene. I don't decide how you guys make this work, I am just saying that I don't agree with the reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Zazu, this is less about balance and more about management. Evo is comprised of hundreds of cards that are either useless or overpowered, and is simply a hassle to thumb through when building decks. This is not a movement to not use the cards. We already don't use them. This is to get the cards we don't use out of the way of the ones we do. Don't take it personally, it is just to create a more streamlined system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Zazu, this is less about balance and more about management. Evo is comprised of hundreds of cards that are either useless or overpowered, and is simply a hassle to thumb through when building decks. This is not a movement to not use the cards. We already don't use them. This is to get the cards we don't use out of the way of the ones we do. Don't take it personally, it is just to create a more streamlined system.That doesn't really seem to be what you guys said earlier. This is of course a valid reason, and I already said the ok to that before, though now that the project is cancelled, it would just be work seattleite could spend on more important matters (unless it's actually super easy, then whatever go ahead and do it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self-Destruct Button Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 The EVO cards bother people in the current card pool. EVO is not built to use Konami-made cards. That's enough reason to give them a different card pool on DP, so they don't annoy us anymore and EVO players can do their stuff there, and everyone is happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickredace Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 it seems that I'm still unable to register in DP do to it still disconnecting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 As nickredace said, DP appears to currently be offline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lecc_XD Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 What is EVO? .-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 If you read the last page, EVO is simply a card making format where everything is designed from scratch.Meaning whatever broken crap Konami made lately (and in the past) is non-existent. Basically, they're designed in a vacuum, so to speak. ---A note about the DP thing (and I told sea to note this on the main post), and from his wording, DP generally goes down every other day at 6:00 pm GMT.But yeah, I'm having problems getting in too (tried to do it last night while trying to look at the EVO format) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themonkeyspower Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 seems to be backup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lecc_XD Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 If you read the last page, EVO is simply a card making format where everything is designed from scratch.Meaning whatever broken crap Konami made lately (and in the past) is non-existent. Basically, they're designed in a vacuum, so to speak. ---A note about the DP thing (and I told sea to note this on the main post), and from his wording, DP generally goes down every other day at 6:00 pm GMT.But yeah, I'm having problems getting in too (tried to do it last night while trying to look at the EVO format)May i ask for Examples? :xi kinda not getting this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/327268-ydf-yugioh-designer-format-phase-3-set-1-card-creation/Â I don't see any cards in here, but that should give you an idea.Not sure if they're tagged on DP; probably should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InkredibleX Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 If you read the last page, EVO is simply a card making format where everything is designed from scratch.Meaning whatever broken crap Konami made lately (and in the past) is non-existent. Basically, they're designed in a vacuum, so to speak. ---A note about the DP thing (and I told sea to note this on the main post), and from his wording, DP generally goes down every other day at 6:00 pm GMT.But yeah, I'm having problems getting in too (tried to do it last night while trying to look at the EVO format)Hmm these EVO cards (If i'm understanding correctly) Are cards that basically don't adhere to Konamis already existing balance to the metagame (If you want to call it that). Wouldn't the issue be fixed if you simply put "This card cannot be used if your deck or Extra deck had any cards created by Konami in it at any time." or something to that nature. I've been considering putting a disclaimer in all my custom decks because I CBA to try and patch up anything that might be broken if used with Konami cards since I rarely use them anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 In a nutshell, EVO cards are designed without regard to metagame things. As for other cards here, you basically have to factor in the metagame to some extent (but keep in mind that not every relevant card in the gamestate is on DP, so some things might be okay whereas others may not). ---If there were a lot less EVO cards, then it might be a solution.But since there's a lot more, it becomes a pain in the ass to put that disclaimer on all of them. And thus, sea needs to shaft them to their own pool. Personally, I'm neutral on this; but partly because I don't know which ones are EVO (and I'd check, but DP goes down during certain times). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireofDarkness Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 In a nutshell, EVO cards are designed without regard to metagame things. As for other cards here, you basically have to factor in the metagame to some extent (but keep in mind that not every relevant card in the gamestate is on DP, so some things might be okay whereas others may not). ---If there were a lot less EVO cards, then it might be a solution.But since there's a lot more, it becomes a pain in the ass to put that disclaimer on all of them. And thus, sea needs to shaft them to their own pool. Personally, I'm neutral on this; but partly because I don't know which ones are EVO (and I'd check, but DP goes down during certain times).Is explains the wild difference, they have Dragon Graceful Charity IIRC, a LIGHT/DARK Quick Play Miracle Fusion, and a DARK Fusion that requires ANY 2 MONSTERS to accompany it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 DP Currently works, for those who are around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 You just do whatever you want with the EVO cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickredace Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Just to confirm with everyone, DP now works again. Thanks Quick question would a new Archetype be considered EVO? Also how long does it take for the verification code to arrive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireofDarkness Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Just to confirm with everyone, DP now works again. Thanks Quick question would a new Archetype be considered EVO? Also how long does it take for the verification code to arrive?If you're using Hotmail, it won't arrive. Use gmail instead. Also their usually is a card set thing you will see when clicking through the cards right below them. It will say in their EVO when you click through. Try this by looking up Pure Fusion, and  you will see it there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickredace Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 I used yahoo, and it doesn't seem to be coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireofDarkness Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 I used yahoo, and it doesn't seem to be comingEveryone else is using gmail and it seems to work, so maybe try that then, not 100% sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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